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 Hey everyone! So. When my dad and I originally built Tonto. We equipped him with a 7.5” Ford Rear Axle with 4.10s. While they move the 33s beautifully. It's slower than molasses. 
I plan on upgrading to 35s with 15x12s. A little much for the 7.5 to handle. So I am doing what my dad should have originally done. Getting the 8.8. 

The only issue. The only one I've found with lower gearing is an 8.8 with 4.56 gears. Perfect right?

Well. They have 10” drums instead of 9”. 

Stupid question I'm sure. But would Bolting the axle in and running it be fine with the new brake upgrade?? 

Just making sure before I spend $825 on a complete axle.

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 You will be good with the 10" drums. But since your already swapping the axle why not ditch the drums for discs? You can snag all the brackets calipers pads and rotors from any 94-2004 mustang with the 7.5 or 8.8 axle both axles use the same brakes. The only mustang that is different is the cobra



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You will be good with the 10" drums. But since your already swapping the axle why not ditch the drums for discs? You can snag all the brackets calipers pads and rotors from any 94-2004 mustang with the 7.5 or 8.8 axle both axles use the same brakes. The only mustang that is different is the cobra
The only reason I won't be switching to disc. None of the mustangs came with 4.56 or 4.88 gearing. It appears the only gearing that they offered was 3.73 I believe it was when I checked. And the price to regear was quite expensive. 
I found a 8.8, 10” Drum, 4.56 geared rear assembly for $840 with 60k miles. So I'll probably do that and stick with drum. Ain't had any problem with them.



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 No no you mmisunderstood you get the brakes from the mustang and put them on a ranger axle



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 When I did the axle change/gear change/lift... I went to 4.56 gears, my friends said 4.88 will get you better performance but I stuck to my guns and decided it would be better wit the 4.56s.   Well, if I did it again I just might go 4.88s; with 33" tires and 5-sp. it is good, but it could be a little better and I think the 4.88s would have done it.

Yes rpms would be up but the throttle response would be a little better, seat of the pants stuff !

But not enough to change thing around, front and rear, but something to think about, if I was starting again !

Sound like this should be a great truck when completed.

Let me know what your mileage is, I'm interested !

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black06xlt wrote:

You will be good with the 10" drums. But since your already swapping the axle why not ditch the drums for discs? You can snag all the brackets calipers pads and rotors from any 94-2004 mustang with the 7.5 or 8.8 axle both axles use the same brakes. The only mustang that is different is the cobra
The only reason I won't be switching to disc. None of the mustangs came with 4.56 or 4.88 gearing. It appears the only gearing that they offered was 3.73 I believe it was when I checked. And the price to regear was quite expensive. 
I found a 8.8, 10” Drum, 4.56 geared rear assembly for $840 with 60k miles. So I'll probably do that and stick with drum. Ain't had any problem with them.
That sounds a little high for a rear axle with 60K, can you see and inspect the axle before buying... ?
Spin it, feel for any roughness in the pinion turning with the Ring Gear, and check for a smoothness in the bearings both pinion and wheel bearings.
Open up the rear Cover and take a look at the gears, look for chips, or cracks in the gears or diff housing; if it is a posi, make sure you and a friend can't turn one wheel in a different directional than the other, could indicate something is wrong.
While the case is open, look at the gears, wipe a section down and look for a discoloration in the teeth, like a blue coloring on the gears but only in sections, could indicate over-heating of the gears, maybe to a point of taking the hardness out of the gears or adding too much hardness to them.   
Smell the oil, it shouldn't snell burnt, again could indicate higher than normal temperatures in the rear axle.
Find out what the vehicle was used for when the axle was in it, drag racing, or heavy off-loading... may need to rebuild the axle !

So many things can be wrong with a used axle... if the guy says it was just a DD, double check everything.

Don't mean to put a wrench on the works... but just check thing out.

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When I did the axle change/gear change/lift... I went to 4.56 gears, my friends said 4.88 will get you better performance but I stuck to my guns and decided it would be better wit the 4.56s.   Well, if I did it again I just might go 4.88s; with 33" tires and 5-sp. it is good, but it could be a little better and I think the 4.88s would have done it.

Yes rpms would be up but the throttle response would be a little better, seat of the pants stuff !

But not enough to change thing around, front and rear, but something to think about, if I was starting again !

Sound like this should be a great truck when completed.

Let me know what your mileage is, I'm interested !

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i rolled over 145k the other day. He's a good little truck. Lots of plans. Big plans. It'll be built up for sure. I might try and wait for the 8.8 with 4.88 to come then. Just finding them it's a pain. Everyone wants Em. Not just ranger people.



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 Don't wait for a Ranger 8.8 rear axle, most Explorer 8.8 come with Posi and 31 Spline Axles AND disc Brakes, so IF you find one in the JY for a reasonable price, grab it.

The Explorer Axle needs modifying, the Spring Pads need to be either... cut off and reworded to the top of the axle tubes OR there is an adapter kit to use the existing mounts and add on a top mounting point.

Also, the Explorer Axles are a couple inches wider, not a bad thing for a Ranger !

Good Luck on your hunt, to me with what should out there in the JY, you should wait to buy until you find the axle you want... BUT, I for one do not think you will find a STOCK 8.8 with 4.88 gears.  
So if you find an Explorer Rear Axle with all the other goodies, i.e. 31 spline axles, disc brakes and posi, buy it ... and buy the gears separately and have them installed before installing axle housing assembly in the truck, also remember you need to replace the front diff gears with 4.88 also, 4x's need the same gears in the rear and front diffs.

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Don't wait for a Ranger 8.8 rear axle, most Explorer 8.8 come with Posi and 31 Spline Axles AND disc Brakes, so IF you find one in the JY for a reasonable price, grab it.

The Explorer Axle needs modifying, the Spring Pads need to be either... cut off and reworded to the top of the axle tubes OR there is an adapter kit to use the existing mounts and add on a top mounting point.

Also, the Explorer Axles are a couple inches wider, not a bad thing for a Ranger !

Good Luck on your hunt, to me with what should out there in the JY, you should wait to buy until you find the axle you want... BUT, I for one do not think you will find a STOCK 8.8 with 4.88 gears.  
So if you find an Explorer Rear Axle with all the other goodies, i.e. 31 spline axles, disc brakes and posi, buy it ... and buy the gears separately and have them installed before installing axle housing assembly in the truck, also remember you need to replace the front diff gears with 4.88 also, 4x's need the same gears in the rear and front diffs.

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Lucky for me. Truck is 2wd. So don't gotta worry bout front diff gearing.



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 Sorry didn't read your signature.

Why do you want to run the 33" or 35" tires.

Im thinking..., is there a lift kit out thee for a 2x ?

Good Luck with the hunt !



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 I'm currently lifted 7” with blocks and spindles. I have 33s right now. I am wanting to upgrade to 35s. But to do it smart instead of just buying my wheels and tires. I am going to do the axle swap so it will be better for the truck in the long run.



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I'm currently lifted 7” with blocks and spindles. I have 33s right now. I am wanting to upgrade to 35s. But to do it smart instead of just buying my wheels and tires. I am going to do the axle swap so it will be better for the truck in the long run.
Ok on the 7" lift, sound good.
Think on the Explorer Axle, again, it has what you need, except a little mod'g to install, and there is a kit if you don't want to weld on spring pads.

Don't forget the pictures !



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Ranger_Danger_ wrote:

I'm currently lifted 7” with blocks and spindles. I have 33s right now. I am wanting to upgrade to 35s. But to do it smart instead of just buying my wheels and tires. I am going to do the axle swap so it will be better for the truck in the long run.
Ok on the 7" lift, sound good.
Think on the Explorer Axle, again, it has what you need, except a little mod'g to install, and there is a kit if you don't want to weld on spring pads.

Don't forget the pictures !
Just wanted to reply to ya. I ended up buying a 2000 Ford Explorer and it has the 8.8 with disks. It is stock so I dont know gear ratio of if it is POSI but, I am excited to swap to the bigger axle!



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 The door tag on the expo lists the rear end code, there are charts including here with the ratios and configs.

If it had a V8 it is a 3.73. If it had a V6 you could have one of several. Best one IMO is D2 which is 31 spline 4.10 limited slip.



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The door tag on the expo lists the rear end code, there are charts including here with the ratios and configs.

If it had a V8 it is a 3.73. If it had a V6 you could have one of several. Best one IMO is D2 which is 31 spline 4.10 limited slip.
It is the 5.0L 302 V8. ;) Which means V8 swap obviously!! 
So it'll probably have the 3.73, which is fine. I plan on doing new bearings and seals in the new diff, along with new gear ratio. 
Honestly, dad has me hooked on the idea of 5.13 because it would have stupid torque, but I might settle for 4.56 or 4.88s, depending on pricing and time. I wanna put a TO4e turbo on the 5.0, it'll be less than 10psi, but I wanted a little extra oomph. Plus, what is better than a 5.0 swapped prerunner ranger?

A turboed 5.0 swapped ranger. hehehe



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 Instead of the turbo look into a supercharger. More reliable and instant power. Nothing wrong with a turbo but the lag you get with a turbo when waiting to spool up



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The door tag on the expo lists the rear end code, there are charts including here with the ratios and configs.

If it had a V8 it is a 3.73. If it had a V6 you could have one of several. Best one IMO is D2 which is 31 spline 4.10 limited slip.
It is the 5.0L 302 V8. ;) Which means V8 swap obviously!! 
So it'll probably have the 3.73, which is fine. I plan on doing new bearings and seals in the new diff, along with new gear ratio. 
Honestly, dad has me hooked on the idea of 5.13 because it would have stupid torque, but I might settle for 4.56 or 4.88s, depending on pricing and time. I wanna put a TO4e turbo on the 5.0, it'll be less than 10psi, but I wanted a little extra oomph. Plus, what is better than a 5.0 swapped prerunner ranger?

A turboed 5.0 swapped ranger. hehehe
The Gear Ratio is based on your Tire Size, If you plan 7" lift, then 35" tire might work, AND 5.13s are not ou too the question.
I run 33" tires and 4.56 gear with a 3.0L and sometimes I wish I had 4.88s.  With a 5.0L you might not need as deep gearing but it isn't out of the question.
Maybe find someone with 5.13 gears and the tire size you are thinking on and test drive.

The Explorer sounds good, I have only driven an '88 Ranger STX, short bed, std cab, that I installed a 5.0L and all I can say is the sis the way Ford should have built them.

I don't see a 5.0L conversion coming soon for my 2003 but I owuld love it.   I would with a 5" lift with 33" or max 35" tires and I would try out the 4.56 with the 5.0L first.

Good Luck on your project, take your time... "Do it Right the first time" !

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 black06xlt wrote:
Instead of the turbo look into a supercharger. More reliable and instant power. Nothing wrong with a turbo but the lag you get with a turbo when waiting to spool up
Turbo = less than $1000 when I looked
Superchargers were $2k+ when i looked, plus i do not know how much room I am gonna have in my 4 cylinder engine bay for the supercharger.
I am not too worried about lag, as I am not drag racing or racing at all. Just added a little extra oomph.



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The door tag on the expo lists the rear end code, there are charts including here with the ratios and configs.

If it had a V8 it is a 3.73. If it had a V6 you could have one of several. Best one IMO is D2 which is 31 spline 4.10 limited slip.
It is the 5.0L 302 V8. ;) Which means V8 swap obviously!! 
So it'll probably have the 3.73, which is fine. I plan on doing new bearings and seals in the new diff, along with new gear ratio. 
Honestly, dad has me hooked on the idea of 5.13 because it would have stupid torque, but I might settle for 4.56 or 4.88s, depending on pricing and time. I wanna put a TO4e turbo on the 5.0, it'll be less than 10psi, but I wanted a little extra oomph. Plus, what is better than a 5.0 swapped prerunner ranger?

A turboed 5.0 swapped ranger. hehehe
The Gear Ratio is based on your Tire Size, If you plan 7" lift, then 35" tire might work, AND 5.13s are not ou too the question.
I run 33" tires and 4.56 gear with a 3.0L and sometimes I wish I had 4.88s.  With a 5.0L you might not need as deep gearing but it isn't out of the question.
Maybe find someone with 5.13 gears and the tire size you are thinking on and test drive.

The Explorer sounds good, I have only driven an '88 Ranger STX, short bed, std cab, that I installed a 5.0L and all I can say is the sis the way Ford should have built them.

I don't see a 5.0L conversion coming soon for my 2003 but I owuld love it.   I would still to 5-6" lift with 33" or max 35" tires and I would try out the 4.56 with the 5.0L first.

Good Luck on your project, take your time... "Do it Right the first time" !

black06xlt wrote:

Instead of the turbo look into a supercharger. More reliable and instant power. Nothing wrong with a turbo but the lag you get with a turbo when waiting to spool up

What is the difference between a "Supercharger" and a "Turbo Charger" ?


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Supercharger: takes power from the crank, is directly on the engine with a belt type system, and has no waste gate.

Turbocharger: takes power from exhaust gases, is not directly on the engine, which will cause "lag" as it is called.
While both do the same thing, forcing air into the engine at a progressive and higher pressure, which in turn makes more HP because more air = more ponies.
A turbo will spin at 15k RPM a minute, while a supercharger will spin at 50k a minute!
Turbos get very hot, as the waste gate is a smog altering item on the turbo, so they need to be well-insulated.
Superchargers are also easier to maintain (supposedly) compared to a turbo.
Hope this helped dear!!



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 You can get a GT2860RS for about the same price, the ball bearings help.

When you are ready contact me, the place I work deals in turbos and fuel systems for diesel racing trucks and tractors. We also have a complete array of foot adapters if you can't find the right foot already on a header.

I have considered turbocharging but the cost is not the determining factor with me it is everything else. Injectors, tune, mass air sensors, easy to blow a hole in a piston unless you know people to help. I'm not that person LOL the PITA factor keeps me from turbocharging.



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 Im going to run 4:88 gears on 35's with an automatic. Since you are manual you have one more gear which should make 4:88-5:13s still run at reasonable RPMs. 

Here is a chart for tire and gears. Yellow=economy. Blue=performance.



Just an fyi. Superchargers fit on the 5.0L  nicely in the ranger engine bay. Super chargers are constant boost. Only limiting factor on supercharger is how fast you can spin the crank. You can find Eaton m90 on old Thunderbirds or m112s on mustang's.  Definatly want a forged bottom end on either turbo or supercharger set up. 

There is also a good supercharger rebuild company in Florida of all the places. If you find a junk yard supercharger you can get it rebuilt here.
Moddbox used a company in Old Towne Florida called, Supercharger Technologes. But this info is from a 2014 moddboxx forums thread post #58.

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 The chart is for a 1 to 1 ratio at 65 mph, so if you have an OD Auto Trans, you have an additional gear so once you are rolling  and hit OD you may be ok.

IF I were to do the 5.0L Swap, I would go with an OD AT, maybe an AOD, adapted for 4x... !



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