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You will not accurately reach out to 1000 yards with any 223/5.56 or 7.62x39 rifle with any effect. A 7.62x39 has very little energy past 300 yards. A 5.56 can ring a gong at 600 yards but it has spent all of it's energy. You need 7mm Mag, .308, 30-06, .338 Laupa or 50 Cal or a few others to reach out.

For 100 to 300 yards 223 will work but 300 yards that is about it for a drop shot. For up to 500 yards a 6.8SPC works, for up to 1000 yards a .308 works, for 1500 yards 338 laupa works for a shot that will drop a target. As you go up it gets a lot more expensive to shoot.

A 50 BMG is a whole different story.
I 100% agree. Sorry, I wasn't meaning I wanted to reach out 1000 yards with a .223/5.56. Though I have seen several youtube vids of people doing it repeatedly. I have a cheap Remington 783 in .30-06. I put a little better scope on it than the stock Bushnell and that's what I've shot steel at 500 yards with. I don't reload (yet) but Federal and Remington ammo in a 180gr seem to work best for distance. The 165gr does well too but the 150gr seems to be all over the place. The only range in my area is rather raggedy and only has a single 500 yard target, nothing beyond that.

I'd like to build a nice Remington 700 in .308 or even a nice .338 Laupa. Any of the .338 combos I can find are rather pricey, more than I can justify as just an enthusiast.

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I was on a Small Arms Competition team when I was in the AF. It exposed me to some of the small arms not typically seen by most in the AF. The weapons we used on the team were fitted with match grade barrels and we had an armorer who showed how to optimize the weapons.

The M-14 .308 shot well but my model 78 30-06 was a lot more accurate reaching out to 1000 yards. The few times I shot the .338 and .50BMG they were crazy accurate but they also had the optics that could see out that far.

I had one of the Dutch licensed Armalight AR-10's and tried to tune it to be a consistent 1000 yard gun but the best I got was about 14" spread. It was frustrating as the previous owner of the gun could shoot a 4" spread with the same gun and his ammo - I ended up selling it back to him when I mentioned I was thinking about selling it. He had had seller's remorse.

The "Reach Out" calibers can be fun but they can also be frustrating. The furthest I shoot now is about 200 yards with my 6.8SPC. I still use my 30-06 for deer hunting but that has been my deer rifle for 30 years (most of those kills were 70 yards and less).

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I have snipers in my unit but the AF did away with the CPEC course. Now it's an AF only Advanced Marksman course. I hear its not quite the same. For now, they have the heavy barreled Rem 700. They're supposed to be getting in some new weapons along with the new Sig that's replacing the Beretta M9. We don't have the .50s here, just the mounted full auto .50 M2. Along with the M240 7.62 and M249 5.56.

I cant knock my Remington 783. Tons of people hate on them and say its a wannabe 700. They're not completely wrong, but it's not a POS either. If I had better glass and maybe some long distance training I'm sure I could reach out further than 500 yards accurately.

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I got a bag of 20 M1 enbloc clips (feels wrong actually calling something a clip) in the mail today. Sent out my mail order form for the CMP on saturday. I should be getting the M1 within the next month or so.

I may get a Boyds stock set for it and keep the original elsewhere. Definately getting a shuster gas plug for it. Is there any brand of 30-06 they like to run through theirs? I'm looking at Prvi Partizan brass cased soft point.

I find it odd that there's basically no standard FMJ for 30-06 that I Can find. There's WPA (never putting steel in my M1), but even that's a hollowpoint. Doesn't bother me, but I find it strange.

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Meh, most 30.06 is fine for it, from the major manufactures, but there is some made for the M1 that i grabbed a box of on sale.

Did you ever check out garandgear.com ? I found their gas plug to be a much better deal, especially when you look at their research.

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My wife is at her brother's helping out because of sister-in-law's neck surgery.

I shot 300 rounds pistol and 90 round rifle yesterday.

Today I shot 350 rounds pistol and 75 rounds rifle.

Who knows what I will do tomorrow...

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Yeah, i saw their plug. All it does is add a fixed volume to the gas cylinder. This may or may not be enough depending on what load youre using. I like the shuster plug more, as it allows you to fine tune a load to your specific rifle, allowing for maximum oprod comfort.

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Right, which is why you should read their research on it, gas doesn't work the way you think it does.

It's not a specific volume for a specific load ;)

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Back to the range. I shot about 450 rounds of pistol. It is supposed to rain tomorrow.

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I have. I've always been skeptical of 'one size fits all', 'universal', etc designs. In my experience, this claim is often exaggerated, if not an outright lie.

Just so there are no misunderstandings, I'm not calling these guys liars. I believe their product does as it is intended, but I also believe it has it's limits. I'm sure somewhere out there, there is a load that this fails to tame. Every product has it's limits, naturally.

The Shuster also has it's limits as well, but I firmly believe it has the advantage as it can be tuned to a specific rifle and a specific lot of ammunition. I suspect this ability would shine most in a competition shooter's hands.

I would also be leery of it's performance in cold climates, where gasses aren't as potent as they are in warmer weather.

The biggest flaw though in the garandgear plug that I see is it's incompatibility with the M1's bayonet. Like, seriously? I like the idea of using a quarter inch ratchet to remove and install it, but that seldom used feature isn't worth giving up the ability to use the bayonet; which I happen to own one and intend to use it.

I'm not gonna kick your teeth in for liking it, but in my eyes the shuster is the better design.

Oh, and this also convinced me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe3rrlJsEz0

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The end/method of install is the same, the shuster plug will likely stop the bayonet fitting though?

Again, look at the data, you seem to be basing your reasons on hearsay, once you understand how the pressure is the problem, you will understand why it makes more sense. Besides, it's hard to accidentally choose the wrong gas setting.

As for ammo, unless you're doing speciality overloads, there isn't anything on the market for regular 30.06 that will cause the pressure spike problems.

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I have seen their data and I understand what is happening.

That video I linked is more than just two dudes talking. They show a few highspeed sections of footage where they compare the shuster to the garand firing different loads. You can clearly see the oprod is tamed more effectively with the shuster than the garandgear. Both do their job, but based on what I see, I still believe the shuster does the job better.

They did have a load or two that, with the garandgear plug, went above the level of M2 ball. Commercial, not a handload.

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Good info.

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Alright, had chance to watch the video, i *think* i might have seen it before.

So they were pretty harsh on the garandgear plug, and that's fair enough, but i think one of their facts was wrong - that the M2 ball spec is the max service limit for the garand. IIRC, those pressures/service limits are well documented and are above the pressures of M2 ball.

Either way, if you correct the info they have wrong, and read their testing, what you have is that the garandgear plug is fine for anything but heavy bullets or high speed 30.06 ammo.

So whilst it's nice having the confirmation that the Shuster plug is easy and close to the same price, as i know i won't be firing special rounds through mine, both their tests and my reading, show that there is little/no different between the plugs.

TLDR; only heavy bullets and high speed (speciality ammo) causes a problem here.

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Found out last night that the M10 scabbard is completely compatable with the M1 Garand's Bayonet. Ordered another M10 off ebay for 12.50 shipped to protect the blade.

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Found something interesting today at the range. It is a 1938 HeadStamp with Eagle Warbird over Swastika. The guy that fired left the brass and packed up a left just as I was arriving. He had shot about 100 rounds of 22-250 and 10 rounds of the 8x56 Mannlicher. He had a strait pull bolt so it was an Austrian Model 95 straight-pull bolt Mannlicher rifle.

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That's pretty cool, do you think they were originals or reloads?

80 year old brass!

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Originals, the 1938 was the year of manufacture. I did a little research on these as I could not find any info on my usual headstamp database that I use.

I did find a guy online that has a supply of these for sell. A 10 round pack of 1938 are $25 plus a $10 shipping fee. The 1937 headstamp is $30. There was no discount bulk buying.

I did a search on modern ammo and it starts at $1 per round and goes up quickly.

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Check these out that i lucked upon :)

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Check these out that i lucked upon :)
But it doesn't have the Eagle Warbird over Swastika.

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Here's one for you that you might not have considered before.

I'm wanting to put a guitar strap on my AR-15. Only trouble is, I'm not sure how. The "mounting" is completely different and I'm not sure how one would get adapted to the other. I would want to utilize your standard AR-15 sling swivels, however all the guitar straps I've seen attach by an undersized hole on one end of the strap being pushed onto a flared brass/stainless... Not really sure what you call it. Any ideas would be appreciated. I think if you got the right one, It would look super badass.

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Check these out that i lucked upon :)
But it doesn't have the Eagle Warbird over Swastika.

True, but they're .303 British cases from WW2, and i'm British ;)

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British? Well, that explains what's wrong with you.

I'm kidding.

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I got to fire an M1A yesterday, fairly new model witht he shorter barrel on it. It had a Nikon scope on it but it sat a bit high for my liking. Due tot he design of the gun you couldn't really mount it any lower.

I had to rest the stock against my cheek, and not get the usual cheek weld. I couldn't hit a 100 yard target with it so I peered under the scope at the stock iron sights, bingo on the first round. Good rifle, not sure I'd be willing to pay that much for one though!

I plinked a bunch yesterday, some .38, .45, 9mm, .30-06 and some .223. I had to clean everything when I got home but overall it was a good day of shooting, probably 400 rounds.

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That M1A is a fine rifle. I have a range buddy that has the M1A National Match model. He let me shoot it and I was very tempted to get back into .308 until I saw the price tag of the gun. Too rich for me.

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