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Just a thought !

IF... Ford was still producing the 5.0L-W, what would be the best all around cubic inches for the motor to have moved to.

I know... the 351W is there but it had its down falls, I am thinking if I had to do a rebuild again, I would use a 327 CI Stroker Kit, standard bore, not too much stroke. 

My vote would be for a 327 CI Stoked SBF !



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I was thinking about doing a 331 stroker for my 69 Mustang.



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Strokers make a lot of torque. They also produce a lot of heat. You can get a naturally aspirated, carbureted 331 to about 400 hp with 10:1 compression, a hot cam, decent headers, and headwork with bigger valves. You can get another 25-50hp with fuel injection and a tuner. To get beyond that you will step into the forced induction arena and it gets very expensive quickly.



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I was thinking about doing a 331 stroker for my 69 Mustang.
the 331 is a beast of a motor with room to grow. but i run a 306 in my 93 mustang drag car twisting 7500 rpm and running 6.90 in the 1/8. so if your going beer budget  306 if you have a champagne budget go with the 331



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Anything you do with a stock 5.0 block at 500HP it becomes a 2 piece so stay low. If I ever complete my first one (virtually stock except for headers) the second one I want to be about 300HP only,that way I can drive it for a while.



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Anything you do with a stock 5.0 block at 500HP it becomes a 2 piece so stay low. If I ever complete my first one (virtually stock except for headers) the second one I want to be about 300HP only,that way I can drive it for a while.
i beat on a stock bottom end 302 with the exception of .030 pistons and the use of arp bolts in my mustang. i have trick flow heads trick flow stage 3 cam (hyd. roller 574/595 lift 236/248 duration) 5500 rpm stall convert c4 auto shifting at 7500 rpm every weekend and shes going strong



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The stock block is a crap shoot.

If you are using the 8.x" decked 302 block and going aftermarket block, I'm a fan of the 331. Didn't have the oil consumption issues of the 347.

Personally I'd go tall deck and run a 408



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The 331 is an option but an OEM Block may have problems with a .060 overbore.

327 CI is Stock Bore, leaving a little wear factor for future rebuilds.

I was always impressed with the 327CI / 365 HP SBC, nice engine and could wind up so fast it was scary but I always thought that CI would make a great Ford Small Block.

I am now locked into a Stock Bore 302 SVO Block with SVO Crank, Long Rods, and Custom Pistons, just need to get over the Diesel THING !

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Honestly, I probably wouldn't do any of these on a stock block anyways. The blocks are to hit and miss on when they'll split. I've seen them make near 500hp and live and i've seen them split at 425hp.

If you're spending the coin on a solid rotating assembly, you might as well save up a few more pennies and put that rotating assembly in a block that will live.



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Dusten wrote: Honestly, I probably wouldn't do any of these on a stock block anyways. The blocks are to hit and miss on when they'll split. I've seen them make near 500hp and live and i've seen them split at 425hp.

If you're spending the coin on a solid rotating assembly, you might as well save up a few more pennies and put that rotating assembly in a block that will live.


Agree.



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I agree, if you are building a high HP, high Torque motor, then a better block is a good starting place, i.e. higher deck height, thicker walled cylinders, and a heavy duty crank web... 4 bolt mains would be nice too.
I have read where the OEM Blocks with Main Bearing Saddle can go over 500 HP and still hold together... never seen one that I know of but someone wrote it... on the Web... "so it must be true"... LoL !


I seen some 347s run at the strip and they can put out the HP, a 331 pulled low 9s and I was impressed.  but I am infatuated with a 327... so the next Motor... LoL, is going to be a 327 unless we are into Hover Vehicles by then.


My  5.0L is moderate HP and Torque, and built with an SVO Block and SVO Crank with stock Stroke, and will be a DD.    Should hold together, but that doesn't mean there isn't a better CI for that little motor to grow into without making an engine that will over stuff the Ranger engine bay.



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Personally I always liked the 351 C  better than the 302 or 351 W but that's just my preference,I never had the money to do any building up back then,well still don't.



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Then a 352 FE would be a plus.



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The 351 C was a great motor except overheating problems, when high HP was being made.
I owned a '68 Stang, Coupe, with 351 in it, ran great and plenty of power.
Dyno Dn ran a highly modified 351C and took on all comers, even Jenkins, Grumpy Jenkins that is, with his 350 cu in mouse motor.

The 351C just need good air flow !



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Won't even go there, the 352 FE, like the 332, were Truck motors and were never intended for his rpm use.
They had low end balls but not much more.
Like the infamous Chebby 409, another truck motor someone thought would make a good car engine...  not !  They tend to break apart.

Back a few years, quite a few, all that we had was look for a large displacement motor, fit it in and go for it, if it worked out then we won a street race or two.  Once the car makers started making "out the door" car with big HP then things started to change and we the engine changers got left behind.

Now if we were talking the 427 cross bolted Fords or the 427 Chebby, those were just plain old bad ass motors.   I always looked for a BBF 427 but never found one in the JY.

Just my opinions not trying to get anyone pissed !



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Scrambler82 wrote:
Won't even go there, the 352 FE, like the 332, were Truck motors and were never intended for his rpm use.
They had low end balls but not much more.
Like the infamous Chebby 409, another truck motor someone thought would make a good car engine...  not !  They tend to break apart.

Back a few years, quite a few, all that we had was look for a large displacement motor, fit it in and go for it, if it worked out then we won a street race or two.  Once the car makers started making "out the door" car with big HP then things started to change and we the engine changers got left behind.

Now if we were talking the 427 cross bolted Fords or the 427 Chebby, those were just plain old bad ass motors.   I always looked for a BBF 427 but never found one in the JY.

Just my opinions not trying to get anyone pissed !

I always wanted to try a 429 SCJ in my '72 Gran Torino but it never happened. The JY in town had a balanced and blue printed 351 C that was all souped up and I hear a guy bought it,put it in his truck then rolled the truck and junked the whole thing. I thought to myself,what a waste.



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I have to disagree about the 352 FE. It was designed for the Fairlane and Edsel (FE) but got paired with other vehicles. With changes in the cam profile made it a great motor for a truck but was also the high performance, high reving engine in the Thunderbird. The beauty of the FE was the heads as they flowed better than the GT40 heads and ran from 332 CI to 428 CI.

BTW, a 352 was 25 lbs lighter than a 351 Cleveland and 20 lbs more than a 351 Windsor.



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Tsquare wrote:
I have to disagree about the 352 FE. It was designed for the Fairlane and Edsel (FE) but got paired with other vehicles. With changes in the cam profile made it a great motor for a truck but was also the high performance, high reving engine in the Thunderbird. The beauty of the FE was the heads as they flowed better than the GT40 heads and ran from 332 CI to 428 CI.

BTW, a 352 was 25 lbs lighter than a 351 Cleveland and 20 lbs more than a 351 Windsor.

Could be right on the 352, and didn't know that about the heads.

The 429 SCJ, never had one but have heard they were great motors, BIG head anyway.

Of course then there was the Boss 429, never heard much about that ones performance but they called it a Boss.

I always thought a Boss 429 would be good in a '32 high boy !



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Won't even go there, the 352 FE, like the 332, were Truck motors and were never intended for his rpm use.
They had low end balls but not much more.
Like the infamous Chebby 409, another truck motor someone thought would make a good car engine...  not !  They tend to break apart.

Back a few years, quite a few, all that we had was look for a large displacement motor, fit it in and go for it, if it worked out then we won a street race or two.  Once the car makers started making "out the door" car with big HP then things started to change and we the engine changers got left behind.

Now if we were talking the 427 cross bolted Fords or the 427 Chebby, those were just plain old bad ass motors.   I always looked for a BBF 427 but never found one in the JY.

Just my opinions not trying to get anyone pissed !

I always wanted to try a 429 SCJ in my '72 Gran Torino but it never happened. The JY in town had a balanced and blue printed 351 C that was all souped up and I hear a guy bought it,put it in his truck then rolled the truck and junked the whole thing. I thought to myself,what a waste.

I friend of mine had a Torino... I think it was called something else, maybe the last great Falcon, but it had a 429 in it, a SCJ, not sure but it kicked a$$.



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