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I'm going to buy a crate engine and transmission from either Summit or Jegs, and I'm going to buy both from the same site to minimize confusion on my part. Also, with the crate 302 I'm probably going to buy some speed parts (cam, heads, any other basic speed parts anyone else may suggest. I'm not looking for a monster, just something probably within the 250-350 MAYBE 400 range) at the same time, from the same supplier. Just wondering which supplier is best or if they'e equal. Any complaints, comments, good reviews are welcome. So far, it looks like summit has the cheaper engine, but more expensiv trans (tko600. Yes probably overkill, but better safe than sorry and leaves room for expansion later). Thanks guys and gals



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I have not bought a crate engine from either, in this case if those are the only 2 suppliers I would sort by price and warranty.

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I buy most of my speed parts from Summit.



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Really the best bang for the buck would be a 331 stroker from coast high performance



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VelociRanger wrote:
I'm going to buy a crate engine and transmission from either Summit or Jegs, and I'm going to buy both from the same site to minimize confusion on my part. Also, with the crate 302 I'm probably going to buy some speed parts (cam, heads, any other basic speed parts anyone else may suggest. I'm not looking for a monster, just something probably within the 250-350 MAYBE 400 range) at the same time, from the same supplier. Just wondering which supplier is best or if they'e equal. Any complaints, comments, good reviews are welcome. So far, it looks like summit has the cheaper engine, but more expensiv trans (tko600. Yes probably overkill, but better safe than sorry and leaves room for expansion later). Thanks guys and gals
Jegs and Summit are both good and usually very competitive with each other. Still, it pays to check them both before ordering. 

Both Jegs and Summit give a small but welcome "racer's discount" if you can prove you have a race license. Jegs also extends this courtesy to military and veterans (again, proof required). When I asked Summit about a veteran's discount, they said their policy is racers only. So, if you're military or ex, score one for Jegs.

Consider the cost of freight too. I bought a transmission through Jegs and it was drop shipped directly from Ford Racing (FRPP) at a good price but shipping was free. The exact same trans through Jegs but from another source was more because there was no free freight. And Summit wanted to charge freight regardless of the source. Same story for a FRPP 302 block. Even though the 'street price' of the block itself is comparable, the free freight from Jegs/FRPP makes the difference. Chalk up one more for Jegs. 

I like and use both Summit and Jegs but I give preference to whichever wins for total price, selection and discounts. Lately, Jegs has been running a bit ahead for me.

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Instead of buying a crate engine and then buying add-on speed parts, you might consider buying a turnkey engine already modified. Ford Racing and others offer many levels of displacement and tune and should be able to supply just what you're looking for.

Any 302 should fit better in the Ranger engine compartment if equipped with a complete Explorer 5.0 FEAD (front end accessory drive) designed to be shorter front-to-back than other 302's. This FEAD also coordinates well with Ranger A/C, power steering, etc.



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But if you have unlimited cash flow you could get one from here:

https://roushyates.com/

I applied for a job there I was so impressed. Saw one of their motors at IMTS and asked some questions...



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Another area to look is your local speed shops and machine shops.



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I'm going to buy a crate engine and transmission from either Summit or Jegs, and I'm going to buy both from the same site to minimize confusion on my part. Also, with the crate 302 I'm probably going to buy some speed parts (cam, heads, any other basic speed parts anyone else may suggest. I'm not looking for a monster, just something probably within the 250-350 MAYBE 400 range) at the same time, from the same supplier. Just wondering which supplier is best or if they'e equal. Any complaints, comments, good reviews are welcome. So far, it looks like summit has the cheaper engine, but more expensiv trans (tko600. Yes probably overkill, but better safe than sorry and leaves room for expansion later). Thanks guys and gals
Jegs and Summit are both good and usually very competitive with each other. Still, it pays to check them both before ordering. 

Both Jegs and Summit give a small but welcome "racer's discount" if you can prove you have a race license. Jegs also extends this courtesy to military and veterans (again, proof required). When I asked Summit about a veteran's discount, they said their policy is racers only. So, if you're military or ex, score one for Jegs.

Consider the cost of freight too. I bought a transmission through Jegs and it was drop shipped directly from Ford Racing (FRPP) at a good price but shipping was free. The exact same trans through Jegs but from another source was more because there was no free freight. And Summit wanted to charge freight regardless of the source. Same story for a FRPP 302 block. Even though the 'street price' of the block itself is comparable, the free freight from Jegs/FRPP makes the difference. Chalk up one more for Jegs. 

I like and use both Summit and Jegs but I give preference to whichever wins for total price, selection and discounts. Lately, Jegs has been running a bit ahead for me.


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Instead of buying a crate engine and then buying add-on speed parts, you might consider buying a turnkey engine already modified. Ford Racing and others offer many levels of displacement and tune and should be able to supply just what you're looking for.

Any 302 should fit better in the Ranger engine compartment if equipped with a complete Explorer 5.0 FEAD (front end accessory drive) designed to be shorter front-to-back than other 302's. This FEAD also coordinates well with Ranger A/C, power steering, etc.

This is super helpful in more ways than I can explain. The reason I'm going to buy a basic stock crate and build up is I'm starting out with engines (I know a lot about them, but have only done preventative maintenance ie brakes, oil, plugs and such) and so it would be basically a learning experience. Can you order the explorer accessory drive, and if so could I just call the engine supplier and have them add it on the engine? Thanks again to everyone's input



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Also, yes I know an engine swap is pretty extensive for a "newbie" but these plans are going to come into fruition when my dad gets out of prison in a couple years, he knows engines inside and out and I haven't seen one thing he can't fix. I plan on stockpiling all of the parts, so when he's available we'll be ready to roll



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Wow sorry to hear about your dad.



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JAMMAN wrote:
Wow sorry to hear about your dad.
No need to be sorry. Everyone's mistakes eventually come back to get you. Sh*t happens. You live and you learn. He's not in there forever, so all is good.



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Just sucks is that this time he was actually doing the morally right thing, which is still against the law.



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VelociRanger wrote:
This is super helpful in more ways than I can explain. The reason I'm going to buy a basic stock crate and build up is I'm starting out with engines (I know a lot about them, but have only done preventative maintenance ie brakes, oil, plugs and such) and so it would be basically a learning experience. Can you order the explorer accessory drive, and if so could I just call the engine supplier and have them add it on the engine? Thanks again to everyone's input
I don't believe the Explorer FEAD parts are available anywhere new as a kit.  There may be a few NOS parts left but that would be very expensive and surely incomplete. The easiest way to get them would probably be from a junkyard engine or from a complete Explorer 5.0 donor vehicle.  

The donor method offers advantages: you can use it for some of the many parts that nickel and dime you in a swap, then sell off some unneeded parts at the end and finally crush the carcass for a few more bucks at the scrap yard. You could also use the donor to supply the basis for the engine you want to build instead of going the crate route.  Or use it as a core to trade in for a crate engine. Lots of options.

As an alternative to the Explorer 5.0 FEAD, Ford Racing does offer a partial solution in the form of a more compact water pump. I still think the Explorer setup is a better all around solution in a Ranger engine bay.



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I put a GM create in my sons El Camino from Jegs. No issues.





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I agree 100% with buying a built crate engine from Coast or Ford

I used a GT40 302 engine from ATK making 370 HP worked out excellent
http://www.high-performance-engines.com/ford-crate-engines-motors-s/121.htm

You will need to sort out intakes, electronics, and dress as well as wiring and plumbing. Good idea to get explorer donor.
Make sure you are buying the correct FSB engine if you are going explorer based, the explorer 5.0 is externally balanced GT40, the earlier style will not work here,  not with the explorer crank damper and flywheel.

We ordered a 302 (370hp) performance crate engine built up with the GT40 style lower intake, dual sump oil pan and gt40 balance/firing order then outfitted it with all the goodies from a 99 Explorer (intakes, front dress, sensors, manifolds, plumbing etc). We stuck with 302 displacement for our built in an effort to try and keep some sort of fuel mileage. It worked. End result is a 84 Ranger 4x4 that gets 18 mpg but makes well over 300 HP





I will be using a similar engine, this time a 331 for my 1988 Bronco II

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I agree 100% with buying a built crate engine from Coast or Ford

I used a GT40 302 engine from ATK making 370 HP worked out excellent
http://www.high-performance-engines.com/ford-crate-engines-motors-s/121.htm

You will need to sort out intakes, electronics, and dress as well as wiring and plumbing. Good idea to get explorer donor.
Make sure you are buying the correct FSB engine if you are going explorer based, the explorer 5.0 is externally balanced GT40, the earlier style will not work here,  not with the explorer crank damper and flywheel.

We ordered a 302 (370hp) performance crate engine built up with the GT40 style lower intake, dual sump oil pan and gt40 balance/firing order then outfitted it with all the goodies from a 99 Explorer (intakes, front dress, sensors, manifolds, plumbing etc). We stuck with 302 displacement for our built in an effort to try and keep some sort of fuel mileage. It worked. End result is a 84 Ranger 4x4 that gets 18 mpg but makes well over 300 HP





I will be using a similar engine, this time a 331 for my 1988 Bronco II

is this the engine you bought? it says 365hp, but im not sure what all of the technical specs mean. again, im new to this sorta. and what all would i need to order (besides a trans) to bolt up a manual 5 speed? i know a flywheel, bellhousing, but idk anything else or if im right. thanks for your help.



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http://www.high-performance-engines.com/ford-302-complete-engine-365hp-p/hp78c.htm



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That's sweet but I'm really a fan of fuel injection especially for daily driver and ESPECIALLY if you want any fuel mileage at all. Carburetor does however take away about 150,000 headaches when it comes to a build though, need to weigh it out.



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explorer computer/ efi swap is pretty simple into 98+ Ranger, not too difficult into 83-95 Ranger either only like 16+ wires needed to make it run and talk to the truck
Forget CARBS!!! EFI for the win, in fact OBDII and EFI with MAS and DIS!!
302, 306, 331, 347 can all run with an Explorer computer
Trhe explorer computer wants to see the 4r70w trans, if the trans is not there then you need some PCM programming, not a huge deal these days but does add some $$$ to your project.


Yes that is the ATK 302 we used in a 84 ranger project
We mated it to a 4r70w automatic and a twin sticked Np205
You can mate yours to a 5 speed but the explorer PCM needs to be flashed to forget about the automatic, this is about $300-500 these days to have done

Spec on the ATK gt40 is 365hp at the crank with 302 displacement
You can easily get more power with more displacement, we wanted to keep some sort of mpg this truck is driven from CO to Yellowstone at least once a year. Highway it has seen 18 mpg but gets around 12-14 normally

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One of our members here cgrey8 is a global mod at https://eectuning.org/forums/

I have heard there are people on that forum that can flash anything you like for around 100 bucks but it wasn't from cgrey8 himself. I have not needed that service yet so I don't have experience with it.



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yeah, if i get that engine im most likely just going to get a sniper efi, mostly because that seems like such a simple, easy fix. the flash is a good idea, i didnt even think about all of this stuff. so basically from what i gather is just order that engine, put an explorer front end access. drive and a few other things and it will fit better/be easier in the long run. thanks for everyones input and suggestions. definitely answered a lot of questions and gave a lot of solutions to problems i didnt even know i would have. thanks again



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