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I had this issue on my '66 Mustang.  Big heavy doors, big heavy windows.  Walked into the dealer and asked about the part, they had them in a box under the counter, it was such a common problem!

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I never had this problem with any windows that had the Butterfly / Vent Widows (BVW), only since the Auto Industry decided it was cheaper for them to make front door without the BVWs; some rear doors too !

My '88 STX Ranger had the BVWs and I had no problems with windows and a great air moving device to keep the windshield clear and the cab cool.

OK I'm done... well almost..., "To find a way to fix this problem would be my one of my life's problems solved" !

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Jim,
Hello, it has been a while.

I know you lost your job at the machine shop (?) but was thinking did you do any work on that Side Window Bushing you were talking about ?

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Well I now have a job at a much better machine shop. They do have a manual mill stuffed in the back they use as a drill press. I haven't taken my door back apart but need to to replace a couple blown speakers. Maybe I'll get an itch. Hard to tell at this age!



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JAMMAN wrote:
Well I now have a job at a much better machine shop. They do have a manual mill stuffed in the back they use as a drill press. I haven't taken my door back apart but need to to replace a couple blown speakers. Maybe I'll get an itch. Hard to tell at this age!
Good to know you are up and running again !

Let me know if there is anything I can help with.

Hope all is well with you and the family.

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I have the same problem with my drivers side window. I woukld love to have a fix for this problem.



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Well I might get to look at this again. My latest project... I was cleaning the windows and I think I messed up. Are you not supposed to use windex on tinted window film? It has some sort of crud on it and as I clean it it just seems to be getting worse. So naturally I'll need to get in to the door and when I do I would like to replace that darn window bushing. I kinda want to take the entire window out and take it to a place that can tint it, re tint it or strip it I don't really care it just has to not look like flakes.



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Let's hope you can take the time to figure it out AND develop a better bushing.
Let us know !



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I played with this a little last night, what a nightmare. First off evidently the rod is harder to remove on a truck with power windows, I had the nut off the bottom and the nut off the top and still could not get the rod out!

The more I looked at it, it is a really bad design to start with. I did get an idea though, I might try it on one of my crank window trucks first. I have access to a 3D printer now, I'll ask the dudes in engineering (same office as me) what file format they need but in my estimation the only way to long term cure the problem is with a bushing that goes all the way between the brackets. Would be about 3" long, you would have to remove the rod, snap the bushing in and re insert the rod which might prove tricky.

I did a preliminary test using zip ties which helped but long term it needs guided better. Too bat it is only 3" but it has to be. It goes almost all the way to the bottom and almost all the way to the top that is all that's left.

The whole design it thoughtless and doomed to fail from the drawing board. That's why at least half of us on here has noticed it. The ones that haven't noticed must drive their trucks under 50MPH all the time.



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After reading your past posting and thinking on what is happening... AND never really looking a the mechanism; I was wondering about the Window Guides/Channel/Tracks.
Window Guide/Channel/Tracks = A Channel to align the glass of the door while opening and closing. (LoL) !
Is there a Window Guide on both ends of the glass (front and back) to align the windows when they are being lowered and raised ?
I'm thinking, if these Channels/Tracks/Guides are being forced wider apart, it would cause the window to cock when being raised/closed.
If these channels are there and long enough, can they be secured together, close enough to align the window, using a strip of metal; I would hope that keeping the channels in alignment to the window, it would allow the window to be raised and lowered without the forward tip.

Just thinking out loud,   :coffee  :hair , not trying to change the subject. 
I need to take one of my doors apart and check out the whole thing that is going on.

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Jamman, Jim,

I tried a search on the Door Window Slant, came up with a few Threads, mostly from you.

You mentioned a Roller Bearing System, looking a the picture it looks like it could attach to the Window Bracket and run against the existing rail system.  Looks like two bearing systems mounted at the highest point and the lowest points.
Again, I haven't looked inside of the door, so I don't know the room available... but from your posting above it may have more room to add pieces  than take apart pieces.

Is the bracket pictured, at the bottom or top of its travel ?  Looks like the bottom but just asking.



Also I found the Lift Rail Assembly at "Lakeland Ford Online Parts" - $40 plus shipping and taxes.

https://parts.lakelandford.com/p/Ford_2003_Ranger/Window-Regulator-Guide/51585257/XL5Z1023288AA.html




Looking further today about the problem, will post if I find anything new.

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I've been out on the Web reading posting after posting about Door Windows that bind, close crooked, some stop dead in their TRACKS with eh rearward slant.

Is it me or should this be a Ford Motor Company Safety Problem ?  The problem is not just rangers, it is in a lot of models of Ford Vehicles.

Should this be addressed by the Consumer Protection Agency ?

Funny no one has address this method of getting Ford to fix a poor design that causes people a lot of problems, all the time.

I wonder if there is a time limit ?

Something that may need to be address on a higher level.

Anyone have any ideas on how to address this with the hierarchy ?

Ltr

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One of my initial ideas is to remove the bushing altogether and put a bracket in with a torsion spring pushing one of these:
****note, this one is only 1/2" diameter****



In these positions:




Tight spring loaded would always push the window toward the back and allow flexibility for the position to change slightly on the way up.



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On passenger side anyway



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JAMMAN wrote:
One of my initial ideas is to remove the bushing altogether and put a bracket in with a torsion spring pushing one of these:
****note, this one is only 1/2" diameter****



In these positions:




Tight spring loaded would always push the window toward the back and allow flexibility for the position to change slightly on the way up.


JAMMAN wrote:
On passenger side anyway
That looks interesting, your idea sounds good.
What about two, one on each side with a spring clip drawing them in against the Guide Bar ?
Do you think one will work as you want ?
If you come up with an idea that works and create a kit to fix a pair of windows... I think you will have a Salable Item and I'm thinking there will a market for this not only with Rangers.  

Keep the thought pattern going !

Ltr

p.s.  What about four Roller Bearings setup in compression against the Guide Bar, keep the bushings ?

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I would surely buy a set because that problem is so annoying to me.



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I have some good news to report on the development of this finally. I totally destroyed both my bushings but for a good cause.

In the passenger window, I put a bushing fragment in the bottom front position only leaving the back open. I shook the window there is no way the metal can touch. I tried a couple things before I arrived at this.

I simply put a large zip tie between the bushing and the rail.

For the top bushing I put a fragment in the back position only. It was tight and didn't need a zip tie.

The window goes up and down without straining, and stays completely to the back track.

I'll ask the guys at work if they have a slippery plastic we can 3D print, I'll draw one up shifting about 50% of the material to one side, print them and see how it works installed. You shouldn't have to remove the rail with the right split design.

Guys this is going to work, but I bet we have to replace them once every couple years on the passenger side and every year on driver side. Maybe. Depending on the plastic tech.







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Jim that sounds like good news. Please keep us posted.



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Good news, I can't wait to read about the testing aND seeing the pictures.
Here I thought we were going to get some fancy four roller bearing, per side, guide system.  LoL !
Hoping to see something soon, glad you put the time in, appreciated; let us know what the numbers are, I want this door window thing fixed.

Note:  I asked on other Forums, what people were doing to fix the Door Window Forward Slant issue; believe it or not most of the answers were I don't have the issue; they must be driving the new Ranger.

What ever it is, is what it is, and Jim may have the fix... Kudos to Jim for sure !



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Awwww thanks.


As it turns out 3D printers mostly print parts from PLA, which is worse than the original material. To last it would have to be at least Nylon which can be printed but takes longer and takes more heat. The saga continues....

The roller system though cool would be out of a lot of peoples price range. If I can make these for less than 20 bucks a pair I bet it becomes a hot item. I could even set up a test window and just have it go up and down for a month to see how it wears.



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JAMMAN wrote:
Awwww thanks.


As it turns out 3D printers mostly print parts from PLA, which is worse than the original material. To last it would have to be at least Nylon which can be printed but takes longer and takes more heat. The saga continues....

The roller system though cool would be out of a lot of peoples price range. If I can make these for less than 20 bucks a pair I bet it becomes a hot item. I could even set up a test window and just have it go up and down for a month to see how it wears.

Sounds good, keep in touch.


Keep in touch, if you need anything, e-mail !
And as always...  PICTURES as you go !

I'm excited about the outcome, not just we will have windows that are not a PITA to put up and down but the testing, the inspection, the measuring... Quality Assurance at its best !

Also, was joking on the Roller Bearings, although it was a good idea for wear characteristics.

Thanks Jim for all your time and trouble.

p.s.  One last thing, do you have any idea what the cost might be to have an outside source do the 3D modeling in a material capable of handling long-term wear ?



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Nope not yet. I've been wanting one and one of my sons has too. Wouldnt take a fancy one just something that would print nylon which takes a hotter temp to extrude correctly. 

Would save me the embarrassment of asking engineering for a favor having only been here 2 months.



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A nylon product that was silicon impregnated would be the the best choice.  I have used this on chain drives as the slider in hostile environments.



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It is funny, I was looking at the nylon properties... amazing stuff. Softer, more pliable than PLA or ABS but it can withstand more force without wearing. Perfect for this application.



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My 90 days are up at the new job, and I have spoken with the engineering crew who says they will 3D print the prototype bushings for me.

I will make them like a "C" so they can be easily inserted without removing the rod. The zip tie version is working fantastic in the passenger side of my 01, and I did the same thing to both sides of my Jalapeno truck with manual cranks, after grease it didn't make cranking any harder and the window does seal.

If I get a working prototype then I will probably just buy a used 3d printer. First off's will be flexible PLA (I didn't know there were different types of PLA) then I will research material/VS/pita factor. I hear Nylon is very difficult to extrude but would be ideal. Or would it?

I'll post a picture while it is printing, they have one gantry model that is over 36" tall and a smaller Ultimaker.

They also have a Faro on a surface plate in our office. I had a Microscribe by my desk at the diesel place but the Faro is 20 times more accurate.



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