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Posted: Sat May 26th, 2018 04:41 pm

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Had to load windows 10 on a computer for my niece. I had forgotten how much I hate windows, the new routine is like onboarding to a government secret mission job. It makes you set up security questions no getting around it.

It asks you to connect to a network (talks to you) and mentions you can start viewing cat videos. Target practice I say.

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I hated windows 10 at first but now I'm use to it. It was easier to work with windows 7 though and also easier to diagnose problems I think.

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I try not to use windows at all unless I have to. I'm a rebel. LOL

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I don't really have a problem with Windows 10. It does what I need it to and that's what matters. Windows 8 however I hate with a passion. When a friend of mine needed help with their computer, I'd always tell them what to do rather than actually doing it myself because I could never navigate it right.

The only other OS I've used is on my phone, both IOS and Android, currently the latter. Never touched a MAC or anything running linux, ubuntu or whatever other obscure OS.

I don't think I could switch even if I wanted to. I've been using computers since I was in diapers, literally. It was always one rendition of Windows or another. XP however was my favorite. I loved the way it looked and it irritates me to no end that every new OS's GUI is this flat, squared off, boring, monotone, snorefest.

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I didn't care for Window's 10. I have Window's 7 on the wife's laptop - it choked and puked when I tried to load 10 on it. I am running a duel boot Window's 8 and Linux Mint on my laptop. I have an old Dell laptop with a broken screen in a docking station in the basement running Mint that works as a print server and media server.

I would use Mint more on my laptop but I have some Window's apps that I use.

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Windows 10, what's that... LoL !
Since I have switched to Apple, 9 years ago, I don't remember all of the $hit I have gone through in the past with Window OS programs.

Although Apple OS can be a pain at times, it is so much more intuitive and so far has no viruses, knock on wood... using my head because it is the only wood I have handy !

I don't regret the Apple move, just having to upgrade your computer every five years or so that gets me... how are the Window Computers for full upgrades to a newer computer ?

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Windows 10, what's that... LoL !
Since I have switched to Apple, 9 years ago, I don't remember all of the $hit I have gone through in the past with Window OS programs.

Although Apple OS can be a pain at times, it is so much more intuitive and so far has no viruses, knock on wood... using my head because it is the only wood I have handy !

I don't regret the Apple move, just having to upgrade your computer every five years or so that gets me... how are the Window Computers for full upgrades to a newer computer ?
for the sake of conversation.. Apple has plenty of viruses available.. The reality of why its not on a near pandemic level as PC is because NOBODY uses Apple products in Commerce or Banking. Vista/Win7 has more extensive countermeasures against attacks and a codebase with presumably fewer security issues. But it's the operating system of the majority of users, hence making it profitable to attack. Attackers will therefore spend lots of time bypassing the countermeasures. Mac OS has fewer countermeasures and lots of easily exploitable bugs, but the market share is low, making it a less likely target.

November related to awareness of cybercrime in the U.S. The survey of more than 1,000 people found that while both PC and Mac users perceive the Mac as being safer, Mac users are victims of cybercrime just as frequently as PC users.

Meanwhile, Mac users are just as vulnerable to Web-based attacks like phishing as PC users are, and Mac users who fall prey to phishing tend to lose more money on average than PC users do, the survey found. "Viruses are a diminishing percentage of what we're seeing," said Randy Adams, director of technical education at ESET. "A lot of attacks have to do with social engineering and that kind of attack is platform agnostic."

And the funniest thing about apple products is there are people who will pay FULL POP and top price for a luxury based product line, and the majority of the products are designed to fail or need replacement within a couple of years at best or have to replace altogether. I'm sorry, but to pay $2500 for a laptop, be charged another $300-600 for additional components necessary for the operation, usage, or backwards compatibility. Lets not even get into poor design features like fans that blow all of the hot air across a portion of the chassis that uses a glue to secure a portion of the computer so after a couple years of use, the product separates. Or how about the chipsets that Apple chose to use and wouldnt warranty because the chipset was part of the initial operating system power feature. Apple had a test that required the computer having to be able to turn on first in order to fall under warranty. Well problem is the chip goes down, it can't turn on. So apple not only got out of probably a million dollars worth of warranty repairs, they most likely backed that up with sales of NEW units instead.. Nice business model and way of doing business.

Steve Jobs is/was a rather interesting individual whom should make you question who he might have been really. The guy marketed the first apple computer for $666.66 If not for superstitious reasons alone, why would you come up with that price point for your product? Call it what you will otherwise... It snowballs from there.

but don't let it get you down Jim..

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I'm not an apple user, I'm full blown Ubuntu Linux which has such a small user base nobody would bother with a virus for it. Been for so many years I lost count, since I got a virus on a win2Kpro machine that affected my customers. I had enough!

Anyhow though I have never seen it in writing being an evangelical Baptist I always thought there was something odd going on at apple, starting with the logo. I always thought that was a loose representation of the legendary "fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil" that Eve took a bite from before handing it to Adam. Kind of a slam in the face to anyone of faith. I don't own any apple products at all nor will any of my family if they want to live under my roof. But that's just me.

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I'm not stating anything more than my position in life with Apple, I used an IBM PC way back when and stayed with the PC for years, 286, 386; Pentium's, etc..
2009 I switched only because I found that The MS Office Program ran better on the Apple than on the PC, and at the pushing from a friend went Apple.

JAMMAN, yes you are right on the Apple Symbol with a bite out of it, I assumed it always meant "The Tree of Knowledge, but for Good not Evil, but since I have owned the Apple and first hand saw how Apple will drop you once your machine is older than THEY want it to be, I have Soured on them, sort of a Granny Smith, but at this time I am in the Apple thing to far to drop out... and too old to go back to a new OS.

Didn't mean to imply anything about which was better but was more joking about my switching and although I am pissed at Apple I have had a lot of time in the free air with no viruses or Web attacks... ! Thank you God !

Good Luck on your fixing your problems, I will linger a little longer with Apple, not always the best deal in town but good enough !

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The laptop is done, I took all her full length motion pictures off her little 120G SSD and determined that is probably why the update crashed... less than 1G left on the drive. Windows updates I'm pretty sure create a storage space for the old config and loads the new one before deleting the old files (kinda like a HAAS CNC controller) so it didn't have enough room to move around. The win 10 install was over 40G itself and that's without her office and adobe stuff she uses for her job.

Didn't mean to imply that anyone that uses apple products is intrinsically evil not at all, just that I'm sure the core value of the founders of the company was certainly not faith based.

I'm not mainstream. That's why I don't like microsoft products, and GM products. It's why I drive a Ranger.

On a side note I did a google search for ford ranger memes and they were about 99.9% negative toward the trucks I am partial to. Try it if you need a few laughs and a shot of anger.

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JAMMAN wrote:

"I'm not mainstream. That's why I don't like microsoft products, and GM products. It's why I drive a Ranger.

On a side note I did a google search for ford ranger memes and they were about 99.9% negative toward the trucks I am partial to. Try it if you need a few laughs and a shot of anger".

I went through a few of the "Memes", I am not sure I know what "memes" even means, but most just get me pissed off, so I don't read them all of the time.
As for main stream, not me, I have a few friends that say buy a new truck... I look at them and ask... why, I have one of the best trucks on the road !

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Viruses, trojans, etc seem sooooo late 90's/Y200Xish; IMO, here in Y2018 why waste valuable time trying to take down 'puters and poke faceless (to you) people with a hot dagger when you could spend the time hacking into them, then harvest credit card numbers, social security numbers, birth date full names and address, then go on multiple shopping sprees and profit from the booty. And why worry only about about the operating system, IMO, here in Y2018 there are a surprising numbers of people with lax router security (WPS) that haven't got the security memo and applied a few simple steps to tighten things up, and as such are begging to be messed with. Just some food4thought is all.

Edit: if you're using WPS you really need to wise up and shut it down. Today.

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When I am at a public place with my laptop I scan for printers. When I inevitably find 2 or 3 wireless ones unsecured, I connect and print them a warning that they have not secured their printer.

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One could always use their lappy to launch a Reever attack on a "needy" soul running WPS, go in and quash connectivity for all devices, kill their interwebz, and change the password on your way out the door. This would actually be one of the more gentle ways to teach the importance of router security.

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When I am at a public place with my laptop I scan for printers. When I inevitably find 2 or 3 wireless ones unsecured, I connect and print them a warning that they have not secured their printer.
Great... Jim is the illustrious Una-Printer.... LMFAO

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I'm not an apple user, I'm full blown Ubuntu Linux which has such a small user base nobody would bother with a virus for it. Been for so many years I lost count, since I got a virus on a win2Kpro machine that affected my customers. I had enough!

Anyhow though I have never seen it in writing being an evangelical Baptist I always thought there was something odd going on at apple, starting with the logo. I always thought that was a loose representation of the legendary "fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil" that Eve took a bite from before handing it to Adam. Kind of a slam in the face to anyone of faith. I don't own any apple products at all nor will any of my family if they want to live under my roof. But that's just me.

likely onto something there.. the apple bite thing.

I happen to believe this guy is onto something here tho too... Just TOO many weird coincidences as far as symbolism is concerned. The whole video is interesting but if you just want the apple portion. Starts at 18:46 mins in. Wait until you see what this guy brings to light.

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I'm not stating anything more than my position in life with Apple, I used an IBM PC way back when and stayed with the PC for years, 286, 386; Pentium's, etc..
2009 I switched only because I found that The MS Office Program ran better on the Apple than on the PC, and at the pushing from a friend went Apple.

JAMMAN, yes you are right on the Apple Symbol with a bite out of it, I assumed it always meant "The Tree of Knowledge, but for Good not Evil, but since I have owned the Apple and first hand saw how Apple will drop you once your machine is older than THEY want it to be, I have Soured on them, sort of a Granny Smith, but at this time I am in the Apple thing to far to drop out... and too old to go back to a new OS.

Didn't mean to imply anything about which was better but was more joking about my switching and although I am pissed at Apple I have had a lot of time in the free air with no viruses or Web attacks... ! Thank you God !

Good Luck on your fixing your problems, I will linger a little longer with Apple, not always the best deal in town but good enough !

Since both of you guys are fellow tech-weenies..

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I hate Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, Google etc -in fact any big profit making organization.

I champion the little guys - the ones like Jim where the customers are more important than the bottom line and where software is written by people who actually use it rather than geeks.that include complications just because they can..

So Ubuntu and Maria DB is what you'll find on my Pcs & servers - and I don't earn the Zuckerbergs of tbis world a single.cent ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜

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I am not saying I like the big guys but when the company you work for uses a given product you need to use it at work and at home to keep thing straight.

I do how-ever agree that it is money or shall we say GREED that keeps these companies moving, money grabbing and looking for new ways to take our money... and Apple is the leader of the pack !.
Apple's "Planned Obsolesce", just replace your Computer every five years or so and we are happy, Microsoft and others in the software Industry want you to buy new software every few years so they don't need to update them. The larger Software Companies now only lease their Software on a monthly or yearly charge... you can't buy the packages anymore... i.e. Photo Shop, MS Office, the two that come to mind !

My Mac Tower was a great machine when I purchased it, it ran not only the software I needed to keep up with my business needs, but also on a separate monitor it ran all of my Amateur Radio Software, operated my Radios Andy Antenna Rotor at the same time; it was doing everything I needed and more, "What a great Machine" ! I was told when I purchased it that it was upgradable, and difference PCB Cards could be added or removed from the machine if needed, (just not the Mother Board). This was great a great computer with the the versatility of a PC, this will work out great, and it did for five or six years, after that the OS upgrade slowed, another year and the Software Providers wouldn't upgrade me unless I had the newest/greatest OS and when I tried to upgrade the OS I was told they weren't upgrading it any longer. It sits in my home office now, I use it to read and print e-mails as needed, and backup pictures; that's what I call "Planned Obsolesce" !

Now all of my older backup drives, although they can be used are getting old, Apple wants m to upgrade my equipment... to the newer SSD drives, the ones I have are still kicking so Apple will just have to wait. I will probably lose out in the long run, maybe losing some pictures but I just don't want to do what Apples wants me to do.

So, all in all, I am a very unhappy Apple user that is stuck with a system that works for now, but isn't the latest and greatest, and all Apple can say is buy a new one... of ya, the new ones are now $2000 to start and go up very fast in price.

What are people thinking, all we need to do it drop Apple... ya right, that's the problem, we are locked in the Apple Brand and can't seem to get away !

OK so much for my filling the pages of this thread with garbage, thanks for listening !

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The online MS Office product that is leased is called subscription service, and it is lower cost for the company, increasing profits, plus it keeps the revenue stream steady and happier. Of course there are other reasons for it, mobile computing being the main reason.
My son was a product manager at MS and just recently moved to a new company. He admitted many of the top level programmers used Macs for writing code as physically they are nicer to use. His new company has few Macs in use. The whole Mac vs. PC may be psychosomatic for many.

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The online MS Office product that is leased is called subscription service, and it is lower cost for the company, increasing profits, plus it keeps the revenue stream steady and happier. Of course there are other reasons for it, mobile computing being the main reason.
My son was a product manager at MS and just recently moved to a new company. He admitted many of the top level programmers used Macs for writing code as physically they are nicer to use. His new company has few Macs in use. The whole Mac vs. PC may be psychosomatic for many.
I think to the amount of profit made too.. Adobe CS6 used to be $1300 on a $ .69 disc (or two).. People like my son pay $50 and some change for a "subscription service".

The difference:

$1300 - You had a tangible product in hand.

$50 x 3.4 Years of use = $2000 and change

My son uses the Adobe Suite, hes been using it for the 3.4 years and for what he does has no intentions of NOT using it at this point. So 12 years out? ($7200 !) Creative Adobe Suite Or Creative Accounting and co-dependency of commodities?

Long term wise, profitability is on the rise and like many things in this life/world YOU own nothing. The subscription can be terminated, you have to constantly be on the hook for it.

Not to bring it into every topic but the reality is It's just like anything applied in the government sector... Co-dependency is a real thing. Imagine for just a moment if everyone decided to give up their mobile phones or cable/SAT Tell-a-vision. What a change on the world that be on every level: financially, businesses models collapsing, revenue flops, it would be a traumatic effect on any and all involved.

Follow the money trail line of thinking and do the math.. you know what I'm talking about. lol

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Undrstm8ed, you clearly understand what is going on with the subscription service model. As you point out, follow the money trail and it will lead you to the answer and the question.
Once was an Apple user in the early days and couldn't afford to replace an ibook so I was introduced to the Windows platform. Didn't take long to understand it and been using it since 1998. Really don't have any complaints as it does what it needs to do.

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