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aroundincircles wrote:
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Thinking of moving to AZ
Normally I would say "hell no" to yet another Californian moving to my state... but it doesn't seem to stop them. if you work in IT at all, they are leaving cali in droves and coming here and to tx. half of my co workers lived in cali less than 5 years ago. a lot of people have moved here since corona virus, since they could buy a home here and work remotely.


Actually, I am a New Englander !
Move to SoCal about six years ago,  one Dem state to another !



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I actually read somewhere that California was charging a "Moving Away" tax to try and deter residents from leaving.
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I feel like that's one of those rumours, but i wouldn't put it past them.

I am too new out here to know about a Anti-Moving Tax but as said, I wouldn't put it past this state, it is screwed up Government !


There was talk about dividing the state in two pieces, hoping I get the Republican Side.

Taxes aren't as bad as I expected, cheaper than the property taxes in MA.

I would have thought in my are and others similar, sparely populated, the gun laws would be a little easier on us but I think they are getting worse in my area.

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I finally got the threaded barrel I ordered a few months back.  According to my LGS the paperwork for getting a can is taking 10 months - maybe end of January.



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Yesterday I had a set of sights added to my 22 cal. Pellet Gun.
They don't make sights for this gun so the guy that helped me out did a great job.
After about 25 shots to get it close to aim point which is hard on a windy day with pellets, I went out and got two rabbits, one shot each, and then one more but I had to finish the job with another close up shot; not too bad !

Today I shot at three Rabbits and only managed to scare them off !

My dog, has taken a turn for the worse, she is a 10 pound, 16yo, Min-Pin, but she always thought she was a full size Pincher.    We will see tomorrow how she is, and look at the options.

Losing a Dog sucks, no matter how big they are.

Ltr

Last edited on Wed Jul 1st, 2020 12:23 am by Scrambler82



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I am itching to go shooting. The range has banned all bi metal ammo, so I paid extra for some brass case .223, but the indoor ranges have been packed and they all raised their prices. it's been 110+ degrees for the outdoor range, which has also been packed, and crazy busy. Praying for rain so they open the desert, which has all been shut down for the fire danger. (no camping even).



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Here in Southern Indiana it is currently 95 degrees and 49% humidity; really sucks working outside (which I've been doing this weekend).  My son has his membership orientation this evening at the Sportsman's club, so I'm going with him and while he is doing that, I'm going to shoot a few rounds.  After his orientation (which makes his membership official, he is going to pull the trigger on some targets himself.  We will be sweating, but it will be worth it! :-)



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The range I usually go to had a year long renovation and re-opened last year. The berm design was flawed and had to be re-built. They closed June 1 and expect to open by September 1. The pistol berm was worse than the rifle berm. In less than a year half of the berm was shot away.

There are too many first time gun owners at the indoor ranges here in the ATL. The last three times I have been to an indoor range I have been swept or deputy dumbass shot himself in the leg. It was a rookie cop that bumped the trigger as he was holstering his gun.



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The range I usually go to had a year long renovation and re-opened last year. The berm design was flawed and had to be re-built. They closed June 1 and expect to open by September 1. The pistol berm was worse than the rifle berm. In less than a year half of the berm was shot away.

There are too many first time gun owners at the indoor ranges here in the ATL. The last three times I have been to an indoor range I have been swept or deputy dumbass shot himself in the leg. It was a rookie cop that bumped the trigger as he was holstering his gun.

Back in Vietnam, my Squad (Military Police) was starting its duty cycle, we had the usual firearms inspection, there was one wiseass guy, let in the MPs but the lowering of the IQ Requirement..., so as it went, I took his firearm,  gave the usual look over, gave it back to him.  In HIS infinite wisdom, he slipped the Mag in, closed the rack, and slide it in his holster... AND pulled the trigger, WTF !
At first I didn't even realize what had happened, then he yells I shot myself and fell tot eh ground.Quicker to take him directly to the local Med Shack, he came out of it and it wasn't as bad as it could have been.  He came back to duty and proceeded to get in a mess with a couple of other MPs and Thank GOD, the Captain assigned him to permanent post in the back of the LZ.

When you are that arrogant you shouldn't be allowed a gun, you can hurt more than just himself !


The local Indoor Ranges aren't too bad, best to call a head, but most of the time you can get in after a short wait.  The Outdoor Ranges are just too hot this time of year for me, don't need the excess heat !



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Yesterday (June 29th) I had a set of sights added to my 22 cal. Pellet Gun.
They don't make sights for this gun so the guy that helped me out did a great job.
After about 25 shots to get it close to aim point which is hard on a windy day with pellets, I went out and got two rabbits, one shot each, and then one more but I had to finish the job with another close up shot; not too bad !

Today I shot at three Rabbits and only managed to scare them off !

My dog, has taken a turn for the worse, she is a 10 pound, 16yo, Min-Pin, but she always thought she was a full size Pincher.    We will see tomorrow how she is, and look at the options.

Losing a Dog sucks, no matter how big they are.

Ltr

Well, lets see, the little dog has come back to life, didn't expect it though, she is 16 yo.

The sights on the Pellet Rifle, well the JB Weld Job my friend did didn't hold for  , the front sights popped off after 25 shots...  I heard Pellet Rifles are hard on sights and scopes.  I took a look at the front sights, ok, no prep work done before adding the JB Weld, although we drilled an alignment hole there was no pinion the hole.

I didn't have the exact pin that the other guy drilled for so I had to redrill the hole for my pin, no biggy, took a rough file and carefully roughed up the area under and the front sight underside, so the KJB Weld will have something to hold on to.   Went to Lowes, got some new JB Weld, mixed itup and reattached the Front Sights.

I set the sights with the a small screw and slipped in the pin with a little JB on it, used enough of the JB Weld so I had a little clean up but not too bad and the small screw picked up some too.  Clamped the Sights and barrel together with a little more of the JB coming out around it, cleaned that up and let it set for four hours. (30 minute JB Weld)

First shots after the repair resulted in a few misses but once I got my   together Wham Ban, one shot wonder.
I still need to redo the rear sights, and sight the Rifle in for the new sights but I think I've got it, finally, Iron Sights on the Bone Collector.



T-Square,
You mentioned re-loading ammo, but its not for me.
I am still trying to complete so many new projects I can't even think of something new and once I get the Forge running I want to spend more time making little artistic things.

Ltr

Last edited on Sun Jul 5th, 2020 09:14 pm by Scrambler82



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Well, lets see, the little dog has come back to life, didn't expect it though, she is 16 yo.

Glad to hear your dog is doing better!  We lost our furry beagle friend of eleven years... it will be two years ago next month.  Still miss her like it was yesterday.  They become part of you.



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Went to the club yesterday afternoon and I shot 30 rounds through my Walther P22, which had issues last time at the range.  It performed flawlessly with the exception of not locking open after the last round, although it will lock if you rack the slide back manually on an empty mag (go figure).  Shot about 50 rounds of 9mm FMJ through my CZ and and that was all I could do.  It was so freakin' hot, I was soaking wet and starting to feel light-headed, so I packed it up and went back to the admin office where AW was having his orientation for membership.  I cooled off while they finished that up, then we headed back out to the pistol bays, where I watched him annihilate targets, a wood board and a plastic Mt. Dew bottle.  He shot his 5.56 AR Dissipater, M-1 Garand and his Kimber .45 1911.  I wish I could shoot like him...



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mhoward wrote:
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Well, lets see, the little dog has come back to life, didn't expect it though, she is 16 yo.

Glad to hear your dog is doing better!  We lost our furry beagle friend of eleven years... it will be two years ago next month.  Still miss her like it was yesterday.  They become part of you.

Thanks Michael,

For some reason, maybe my age, this one has made herself part of me and when she passes, she will be missed !

BUT, that's it for animals, I can't put the time in anymore, places to go, things to do.



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Went to the club yesterday afternoon and I shot 30 rounds through my Walther P22, which had issues last time at the range.  It performed flawlessly with the exception of not locking open after the last round, although it will lock if you rack the slide back manually on an empty mag (go figure).  Shot about 50 rounds of 9mm FMJ through my CZ and and that was all I could do.  It was so freakin' hot, I was soaking wet and starting to feel light-headed, so I packed it up and went back to the admin office where AW was having his orientation for membership.  I cooled off while they finished that up, then we headed back out to the pistol bays, where I watched him annihilate targets, a wood board and a plastic Mt. Dew bottle.  He shot his 5.56 AR Dissipater, M-1 Garand and his Kimber .45 1911.  I wish I could shoot like him...
To only have the eyes and mind of youth !



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mhoward wrote:
 It performed flawlessly with the exception of not locking open after the last round, although it will lock if you rack the slide back manually on an empty mag (go figure).  
Providing everything is working right on your gun the charge is not strong enough to send the slide fully back to lock into position. One of the most common issues of a slide not locking open on the last round is under-powered ammo. Winchester White Box is notorious for being loaded for light loads as well as some other popular "target" ammo.  Get some NATO rated ammo and see if it locks the rear slide open. The NATO specs are at the upper end of the power spectrum. BTW: I am not a big fan of +P ammo as it causes excessive wear on a gun.

If it is low power loads (mouse fart loads) and you want to shoot the lower pressure and speed ammo you can change you guide spring to a lighter spring to do so. The benefits are less wear on the gun and if you reload you are using less powder.



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Tony, the Walther is a P22... 22LR.  I shot some CCI MiniMag standard velocity lead round nose and some Winchester SuperX HyperVelocity CU plated HP, both 40 grain.  Last time at the range, I got failure to feed, failure to eject and failure to fire (due to the safety somehow getting enabled).  I brought it home and field stripped it and hosed it out with WD-40, then blew it out with the air compressor.  I lubed it with some spray lithium and worked the action a bunch of times.  You mentioned the recoil spring and that brought something to mind. Back some time ago, I bought a captive recoil sprint with stainless steel guide rod.  That may be the issue.  I will try it again with the original non-captive guide rod and recoil spring and see if that fixes the issue.  If ammo was plentiful as it was 9 months ago, I would buy a box of the hottest 22LR I could find and try that, however that isn't the case.  I never used to have issue with the slide locking, so your thoughts on the recoil spring may just be the problem.  Gonna find out!



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Ditch the WD40 and spray lithium.  Brake cleaner or transmission fluid would be better than WD40 for cleaning a gun.  Do it right and buy a bottle of CLP  or Hoppes #9 solvent and clean your gun with that.  You should also have a copper bore bush and that will help with removing any lead residue. Use a low pressure air hose to remove excess solvent after wiping it down. Use a 10 weight machine oil to lubricate your gun. If you have teflon Tri-flo that will work better. Returning it to stock configuration is also a plus in troubleshooting an issue.

I was thinking 9mm and I missed the part about being 22LR. Always use "High Velocity" Remington T-Bolt, Winchester Wildcat, CCI Mini-Mag, and Federal Champion are all top end rounds (some of these are also made in medium velocity and they may or may not work). Don't ever use medium velocity or soviet block 22 ammo as it is bad for a semi-auto. A 22LR is at low enough velocity you shouldn't have any leading problems with lead head ammo except for running dirty. For accuracy I have found lead to be the best in order; poly coated lead, full metal jacketed, total metal coating, and plated lead.  I have never seen a 22lr wore out due to use. I have seen a 22lr worn (pitted) due to neglect in cleaning. 

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Didn't have any brake clean, AW used it all.  Thought about CLP, but didn't want to make the trip to find some and I HATE the smell of Hoppes.  WD actually works pretty good in a pinch.  The spray lithium is very thin... not the pasty stuff like my dad always had around (LubriPlate).  We have a butt load of bore brushes so the barrel is spic n span.  I always shoot CCI or Winchester SuperX.  I used to buy Thunderbolt back 10 years ago when it was the cheapest you could find and I would take AW out to shoot (he was 10 or so at the time) and he would burn through 500 - 600 rounds every time I took him.  Obviously, the gun was dirty or dry, as it hadn't seen much action since AW started collecting every gun he could find LOL.  It's a fun little pistol that is relatively cheap to shoot... can't hit the side of a barn with it though (seriously low and left).  If changing the recoil spring and guide rod back to the original fixes the lock-on-last-round issue, I'm planning on swapping it for something else.



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Be careful not to use chlorinated brake cleaner if you must insist on using that stuff - it's totally overkill, but will work, just, again, don't use chlorinated.



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made a terrible mistake of trying to go to the range today... 110°+ outside today, and sun moved so the guns were being baked and ended up being too hot to even touch after a bit.

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mhoward wrote:
Tony, the Walther is a P22... 22LR.  I shot some CCI MiniMag standard velocity lead round nose and some Winchester SuperX HyperVelocity CU plated HP, both 40 grain.  Last time at the range, I got failure to feed, failure to eject and failure to fire (due to the safety somehow getting enabled).  I brought it home and field stripped it and hosed it out with WD-40, then blew it out with the air compressor.  I lubed it with some spray lithium and worked the action a bunch of times.  You mentioned the recoil spring and that brought something to mind. Back some time ago, I bought a captive recoil sprint with stainless steel guide rod.  That may be the issue.  I will try it again with the original non-captive guide rod and recoil spring and see if that fixes the issue.  If ammo was plentiful as it was 9 months ago, I would buy a box of the hottest 22LR I could find and try that, however that isn't the case.  I never used to have issue with the slide locking, so your thoughts on the recoil spring may just be the problem.  Gonna find out!
I had a P22, and it was a piece of trash, I got a P22q, and I love that gun. Night and day difference between the two.



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I use WD40 original to clean all my guns. The one exception is my M1 Garand, which gets special treatment unique to it.
I hose 'em down, scrub with toothbrush + bore brush where appropriate, blow dry then wipe and reassemble with either spray lithium or 3-in-1 oil. 
I dumped 3 magazines in a row through my new Dissipator style AR-15 as fast as I could, and it didn't miss a beat. That thing was *smoking*. I have not cleaned the weapon, and it still has a good film of lubricant. 3-in-1 is what I have on it. 
On the few occasions I've had a malf, it wasn't due to lubrication. Usually user induced, the "why the h*** did I do that?" kind of thing. 

My M1 on the other hand also gets cleaned with WD40, but instead of being sprayed directly, I spray the instrument. IE, rag or brush, then wipe away. I lubricate it with wheel bearing grease. Nothing fancy. I chose grease because that's what it was lubricated with during WWII. I believe the tradition should continue for that rifle. 


I've chosen this method for a few reasons. Guns and the lubrication thereof seems to be a rather heated topic, and I invite anyone who may dissent from my opinion to explain why they do. Perhaps you've thought of or experienced something I haven't.
First up, I'm not a fan of gun specific chemicals. I find that for the dollar amount I pay, I don't get more return on that investment. It's also harder to find. Fireclean, CLP, frog lube, hopps, whatever, are not as easy to come by for me. I also find they're more likely to be sold out in a panic buy. WD40, 3 in 1 oil, wheel bearing grease, and spray lithium (in contrast) are cheaper and I can find them any where, any time, from walmart, menards, to autozone. 
These are also things that I stock for other things. I believe that if one thing can work in multiple places, use it in multiple places instead of buying 5 things. Less to think about. 
For most of us, I believe it's hard to go wrong with lubricant. I mean, if you really had to, I'd be willing to bet you could sufficiently lubricate your weapon with used motor oil. I haven't seen any ill effects of my practice yet, and I don't expect to. 

I have considered brakeclean, but I fear what that can do to finishes. WD40 doesn't pose that risk. I find it also doesn't leave the parts dry, therefor exposed to oxygen. Dry metal can rust, as we all know. WD40, also, displaces moisture which also helps to prevent corrosion. I like it when my products can do double duty. 

Hopefully we never find out, but I would propose that if one was desperate enough, one could clean his weapon with WD40 and re-lubricate it in the field with it until he could find better. Think "guy scavenging after societal collapse". After all, crappy lube is better than none. Unless you're in the desert with fine sand that sticks to oil, in which case, dry may be the way to go.

If a weapon is particurally gooked up, I prefer the use of denatured alcohol. It's much safer on finishes, cheaper, doesn't evaporate as quickly, and also does a good job. I recently soaked a neglected pistol to do just that and found that had done the job quite well. I also could pour it back into the container to use it again, unlike a spray of brakeclean which is not recoverable. 

That's just my opinion, and as we all know, everyone has one.



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Remember that WD40's primary use-case is a water displacer, not just a byproduct of it's operation.  It works to clean to a degree, but only because it's an incredibly thin oil, water will clean on it's own to (generally i mean, i don't recommend it on firearms)

I will link you (ArcticWolf) a little article on lubrication, it's not short, sorry, but i think you'll benefit from it's information especially as whilst you understand lubrication as a topic, but don't see/know the real differences in why there are so many types out there.
https://www.grantcunningham.com/2006/05/lubrication-101/

I will again ask everyone look up what chlorination does to metals, i think you'll find it's of particular concern for gun owners due to the safety aspect :(

For what it's worth, i use a small combination of products that i've found to make sense for my own collection.

MPro7 cleaner - i don't like using oil as a cleaner, it works, but it's not very effective, this cleans/degreases properly and also leaves it with a "coating" that prevents flash rusting.  Remember you don't need to fully clean everytime, sometimes just a case of wiping with a cloth/cuetips/patches/etc. along with whatever lubricant you choose (remember all lubes have a degree of cleaning ability)

Seal1 lube (paste & liquid for convenience) this is one of those plant-based lube/protectants, i find it works excellently on modern firearms and is great to fully coat the whole exterior as well as internal components as it wipes clean and isn't carcinogenic on your skin.

Slip2000 Grease - because if it slides (sheer action), grease it.  I don't typically use this on modern firearms as the Seal1 does a great job, but i like to have this for all my milsurp stuff.

Slip2000 EWL (actual synthetic oil, so not stuffed with carcinogens) - again, mostly used on my milsurp stuff, particularly parkerized metal, as part of that processes protection comes from it's ability to hold the oil that's applied to the surface.


That's basically it, i have a reasonable selection there, but i have a reasonable collection to use it on too.  I do have MPro7's copper cleaner just in case it's needed, but rarely need to use it - all this stuff comes easily and cheaply (particularly for how long it lasts/amount needed) from Amazon.



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I also remember having AR cleaning parties in the shower when I was in the military. We would take our M-16A2's into the shower after loading them up with Edge shaving cream. There was something about it that dissolved all the carbon build up. After all the crud was washed away we would hit them with WD-40 to get rid of the water and then the air hose to get rid of the WD-40. The last step was to coat everything in CLP and wipe it down than put the hand-guards back on. They would pass the sergeant's inspection but when the armorer would inspect them he would know. He didn't mind the the shaving cream and hot water but it was the WD-40 that he objected to.



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I'm sad, my wood grips broke in the heat in my truck so had to throw some Hogue G10 grips on 1911. 

 



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aroundincircles wrote:
I'm sad, my wood grips broke in the heat in my truck so had to throw some Hogue G10 grips on 1911. 

 

That's pretty.  I have and ugly gun. :cool: 



Just an ugly black 10mm.



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Tsquare wrote:
That's pretty.  I have and ugly gun. :cool: 



Just an ugly black 10mm.

That's an interesting accessory on the front, does it just connect to the front lower rail? 

I have some pretty, some ugly, and some down right tacky:



You can see the broken wood grip in that picture.



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