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Some of the problem is that firearms are so much fun that some people have trouble keeping it together.

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Yeah, I wouldn't be thrilled about that either. Thankfully I haven't run into that yet.

Looking for a pair of nice wood 1911 grips to go on my R1. What do you guys think of these, the double diamond rosewood?

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/388092/pachmayr-custom-laminate-grips-1911-government-commander

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They're a great choice, I have the half checkered versions on my stainless Para.

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Outside of the obvious cleaning issues one would expect.. Whats everyone's thoughts on the "skeletal" look on slides and what not?

I am slightly drawn to the intricate details seen but at the same time there's the 2 mental notions I have.

That in the event of an actual shooting on your behalf. Courts and Juries supposedly look at that as some sort of premeditation aspect because you happen to "modify or decorate" your firearm and allegedly leans towards intent or wilful actions. This obviously goes beyond the "Tacti-cool" thoughts as I am not looking for that label either.

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A decreased reliability.

At the same time, I would think slightly less material would also lighten the action, especially while round cycling, as well as overall weight characteristics for the daily carry. In my case, even under open carry you wouldn't see much of the slide because of nearly all of my carry options but....

Additionally, whats the consensus among the group here on iron sights, my other Glock doesn't have anything in the sense of a night-sight like a tritium based. It does have the stock glock sights style but as an upgraded set, and the red dot setup which does help instead realistically but not so much in the sense of "oh " - and then reaction scenarios. It's mostly for when practicing and the one time or two I've had to clear a house/building literally. It does help with quick targeting acquisition of closer/farther targets but in a robbery at a gas station or a bank it isn't gonna get used, there's no time to say "time out.., I need to turn on my red dot to return fire". lol

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If I was building from scratch I would consider a skeletalized slide. The weight difference would make an exercise in finding the right springs for it. As far as the decreased reliability any change from stock will require the proper tuning to get it up to where it needs to be. Most of the factory pistols I have had required some tuning to get them were they needed to be. For example, Glocks are super dependable but have horrible gritty triggers that either need a light polish job or 40k rounds run through it to get it smooth.

Your fist concern about the perception of a court's view if you had to use a customized gun in a defense situation depends on where you live. If you live in Texas, Georgia, Florida, or any other gun friendly state it is not an issue. If you live in a gun un-friendly state like New Jersey or Massachusetts you will probably have a problem.

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Yes, skeletal stuff helps and can look good etc .

It is a compromise though, stick to competition use for that stuff, or in our case, non defence use.

Personally, I want nothing being diverted back to me in a defensive use case, so my carry stays completely facyory.

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Eh, I can take skeletonized parts or leave them. I see no real advantage or disadvantage to them. That being said, I wouldn't mind having something with a little "skeletonization" in my collection.

As far as modifying your carry gun, TSquare makes a great point about where you live being a big issue. However I don't believe completely ruling out any modifications is a good idea either.

Obviously the "Smile, wait for flash!" engraving on the muzzle, the "Youre f****d" dust cover, maybe grim reaper grips too, ought to be left to the range toys and movie props. That kind of modification I believe cannot be validly justified for a carry gun, at least in the country we live in as of 2018.

There are some modifications I would believe are perfectly acceptable. On my Beretta 92A1 I have a pair of tritium sights from Trijicon, a Wilson Combat short reach trigger (which does not alter the weight in any way, merely the trigger face's location), and the 92D spec main spring, plus a TLR-1 Tac light.

The sights and light sort of go hand in hand. They are both to aid in the visual aspect of the shooting, seeing your target (after you've confirmed it's something hostile) and lining up your sights easier so you have a better chance of actually hitting what you're intending to.... *Ahem* neutralize.

The mainspring however needs a bit of discussion. Lightening a trigger on a self defense gun is not inherently a bad idea. There is a fine line, however. It should be light enough to allow for an easy, accurate, pull but not so light that it can discharge accidently.

Luckygunner draws the line at 5 pounds, and I would have to agree. The 92D spring I have installed is also a factory spring from the Beretta 92D, the double action only version of the 92FS. As such it has a much lighter mainspring than the 92FS, 92A1, M9A1, M9A3, etc. As long as you're staying within specs of factory produced parts there shouldn't be an issue.

But, that's just my two cents.

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I like a 4 to 5 lb pull on a pistol. For a rifle it should be in the 3-4 lb range. The engravings on dust covers or skulls on end caps are bling that is unnecessary. My 92AF INOX became a great shooter when I got the trigger smoothed with a 5 lb SA pull spring set and everything was polished. The DA pull is still in the 7 LB range. The firing drills I go through have trained me to be proficient with a lighter trigger. I also do the "Israeli Carry" where their is no cartridge in the chamber so I have to rack the slide. It was how I was trained with a M9.

I had an assigned M9 when I was in the military Guard. I worked with the armorer to tweak my M9 to my INOX specs and I had the same weapon for 9 years until I retired. I had the same spring set and the internals that were polished the same way. I scored expert every time on the range with the M9.

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If you don't mind me asking, TSquare, what is the reason for the military training you to carry a sidearm with an empty chamber? I'm thinking that's a hold over from days passed (where it wasn't safe to carry an autoloader with a round in the chamber), but I could be wrong.

Would the same idea also apply to open bolt machine guns and closed bolt rifles?

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Except in a combat zone weapons are carried in condition 3 - magazine loaded, hammer down, and chamber empty. As an additional duty I was a comsec courier most of my military carrier. I had a lot of pistol training going from condition 3 to condition 1 (ready to fire).

Now my EDC is a Glock 37 45GAP. I carry in condition 3 with the magazine loaded, empty chamber and trigger pulled.

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Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for sharing. Learn something new every day.

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Curious, how do you all accomplish car holsters? I've got a 3rd gen explorer console and I'm thinking of non-permanently attaching (IE, no drilling or cutting) some kind of holster to it. Normally I just have my piece sitting in my lap but I'd like to have something a bit more.... Professional. Pics welcome. I'll snap some of my interior if desired.

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I bought a kydex single clip owb holster custom formed from the smith forum off a member. I removed the belt clip and had a spot to mount it in my Dodge but never did. It is still down stairs but a 9C is a little big for a ranger LOL I would have to get one for my sig p365.

I have practiced drawing from my left ankle holster while in the truck, still takes over 2 seconds so a designated car holster is a great idea.

And shamefully I did not know or remember the "conditions" so I just read about them. I guess I'm a rebel is condition 0 still condition 0 if you don't have a safety? I can't imagine the amount of time it would take otherwise. I have had very little training by comparison to anyone else posting in this thread.

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I don't know them offhand either, lol. For guns that don't have a safety I don't think the whole condition numbers idea applies, since it's based around having a safety in the first place. Could be tweaked a bit to accomodate the DA/SA handguns on the market, as well as the strikerfired guns.

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I have an OWB leather holster that is attached to the front of seat with velcro. I have the black interior so the holster and gun blend in. Black guns matter...

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Hmm.... I wonder how some kind of clip on holster would fair attached to the waist portion of the seatbelt? Mine don't really retract anyhow. Worn out springs, FTW!

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TheArcticWolf1911 wrote:
If you don't mind me asking, TSquare, what is the reason for the military training you to carry a sidearm with an empty chamber? I'm thinking that's a hold over from days passed (where it wasn't safe to carry an autoloader with a round in the chamber), but I could be wrong.

Would the same idea also apply to open bolt machine guns and closed bolt rifles?
Being active duty I can throw my $.02 into this...

When on home station in the Air Force, the M9 will be on fire with a round in the chamber. That's the same as deployed depending on where you're at. When I was deployed to a Air Base ran by the Army, their policy was no round in the chamber and weapon on safe.

This is not a stab at the Army so please don't take it way, but they had issues with guys having accidental discharges. Apparently enough to warrant a new policy. On top of that, some guys couldn't clear their weapons properly and would fire a round into the clearing barrel. I worked with a flying Sq at said Army air base and we had our own armory. Some people just couldn't grasp how to properly load/unload/clear a weapon in accordance with regulations. We would literally have to tell them to do what we say, when we say and only what we say with nothing more/nothing less.

All services are different and then even more different at certain locations based on local laws, NATO, foreign policy, etc.

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Also realize I retired in 2004 and policy changes every few years. For the bulk of my enlistment it was carry on condition 3.

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Makes sense in the name of safety. In my mind I was picturing getting dropped off at whatever place and only being permitted to chamber a round when you see the enemy. Needless to say I was confused, lol.

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Curious. Is it just me, or are the "Weekend Ammo Specials" I get from targetsportsusa in my email the same as their regular prices? Seems like their trying to tell me these are sale prices, but I'm pretty sure these are the same as usual. All prices are in reference to the "case" amount. Free shipping for all 'case' ammounts as usual.

Fiocchi 9mm 115GR FMJ: $0.18 per round (abbreviated PRND)

Federal American Eagle 223 55GR FMJ $0.30 PRND

CCI Standard Velocity 22LR 40GR Lead round nose $0.05 PRND

Federal American Eagle 5.56 NATO 62GR FMJ (Green tip, don't remember the designation atm) in ammo can, $0.33 PRND

Wolf Gold .223 55GR FMJ, $0.28 PRND. Actually bought this in the case amount. Won't be buying that again. It's accurate and reliable ammo, haven't had a dud yet, but wow is it filthy. Fiocchi is a cent more and probably much cleaner. I spend that difference in cleaning products alone afterwards.... Yeah I'm a cleanliness snob, lol

PPU Springfield M1 Garand 30-06 150GR FMJ in ammo can, $0.64 PRND (Great ammo, btw)

Granted, those are cherry picked, but that's all I really pay attention to that has also showed up here. Not much sense in keeping an eye on, for example, 7.62x54R when I have nothing that uses that.

....Speaking of 7.62x54R, I'm considering adding a Mosin Nagant to my list of guns to get. I'm not really sure why, and at the cost of ammo (50 cents or better) I'm not sure it's worth it. Opinions?

I've been asking a lot of questions lately. Eventually I'll have something to contribute!

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Looks like that came sooner than expected. Wow, I'm pumped! I was on gunbroker for fun and I found a Winchester Model 12 , 12 gauge, dated 1953 with the corncob pump in beautiful condition. The only issue is a minor dent in the mag tube which if is a problem I can fix easily either by replacing the part, or I suspect finding the right size wood dowel and pushing it out from the inside. It does not appear to be large enough to cause an issue.

Whoo! $369.00 shipped!

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/785931986

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Magnet mount.. I see this thing blasted everywhere in instagram and Pinterest too

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Any one got an idea of why G23 slides are near impossible to source? Anyone and everyone online, local.. NOT IN STOCK..

I finally found an ordered a complete slide unit from Glock itself today and had it overnighted.. Ouch!

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Nicely done on the Model 12, very cool, i'm trying to source a good/nice Ithaca 37 for ze smoove pump ;)

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First question for those using red-dot sights on a handgun.. 3 MOA vs 6 MOA? Its that time to look at getting a second one and well.. attempting to make the better decision here. I'm leaning more towards the 3 MOA but just wanted others opinions.

2nd Question is anyone seen the Rhino from Chiappa Firearms

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