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I wonder if anyone but Odyssey does an AGM for the TSX.



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MaDMaXX wrote: Dusten wrote:
When your car sits a lot, a battery tender is never a bad thing

Absolutely, upgrading my current charger, got one of these coming on Thursday.

https://smartercharger.com/products/batterychargers/ctek-multi-us-7002/

That  is the same one I have on my yellow top in my Mustang. It's served me well the 5 years it been in service. Notice the yellow top battery indicator on it?



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The batterys I have in my daily drivers is interstate. Got them at the Valvoline oil change center 125.00 installed. I have good luck with them. The last time I checked price at Autozone was 165.00 for the same vehicle for thier Durajunk batterys that if I was lucky to  get 3 years on a 5year battery.



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Did I read correctly... there are three major manufacturers of batteries... !

AND "Interstate", which I like, is made by Exide, not that Exide isn't a decent battery but I thought they were a major player in battery manufacture ?!?

Interestingly enough, it seems feasible, with environmental restrictions, getting rid fo the excess manufacturing waste must be a PITA !



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From my understanding there is but a dozen actual major manufacturers and a couple to few hundred name brands.


Not all battery manufacturers make batteries for Automotive use, however less than 5 make batteries for Automotive use; including that used for RV/Marine use, heavy duty or tractor/agriculture use, hi-lows, and solar type batteries under one roof.


I know Exide does the aforementioned but I'm not positive if they make interstate. In fact despite some differences in marketing to function; I am positive Interstate makes Optima batteries and they may make Exide as well.


I know I don' particularly care for the blue battery theme Exide uses but for some reason, Interstate and it' green really seems like a cheap battery to me and the two ive ever had in my time didnt exactly wow me. 


Doesn' help when their mantra is every driveway mechanics yard has 2-3 of them piled up always it seems and they chase the NASCAR scene exclusively.. I don' know what to make of that as an opinion really but.




My exide agm, I've left the key on in the backwards position from 11pm to 9am several times over the last couple years and never been a dead battery yet. Until I find something better.. kinda brand loyal at this point.



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I used to buy optima batteries. Then they turned to  . Now I just buy all our batteries from Costco. Super easy. If there is a problem I take it back and get another. Gone are the days that I will ever spend $200 for a battery...lol


Kirkland & Interstate were both made by Johnson Controls.



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I agree on that one.  Optima are  .  My first one lasted 11 months.  I of course got a new one free.  that one lasted 13 months.  I didn't even want another free one.  I gladly paid to get rid of it. 



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I think i'll probably grab an interstate from Costco, seems to be pretty cheap getting it through them.



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Good luck with availability of Costco batteries. For both vehicles I had to replace batteries in this past year were not stocked by my local Costco or the next closest Costco. You cannot order a battery as you are limited to only the batteries on hand - something to do with Interstate being an outside vendor. However, Costco will look into their system and tell you were the closest Costco is that has your battery in stock. For my Fusion it was the Costco 25 miles away that was near work. For the other one it was 200 miles away in North Carolina.

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Good to know, thanks.



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I found this to be some decent info that reminded me of some things and reasons also why I've chosen AGM batteries with exception that you can basically also tell that the article is derived to be an "advertisment" for guess who? Optima batteries.

Aside from that the information as a whole is worthwhile and thought since this has been an ongoing topic, while I do not recommend the new and crappier improved Optima Battery.. You make your bed, you lie in it is what i say.

NOTE: since this was published on a NON HTTPS, I am reposting and crediting the original author of said article for education purpose :) .

A Look Inside Batteries: The Difference Between Lead-Acid And AGM


 By Greg Acosta February 28, 2018


When  it comes to high-performance engines and their capabilities, the  battery isn't often thought of as part of the system. However, when you  expand the view a little, you start realizing that OEM batteries really  can have an impact on your high-performance engine's operating  requirements. Higher compression requires more work from the starter  motor to get the engine cranked, and in certain racing applications, not  only do you have mounting concerns for the battery, but also  performance issues, especially in high-draw applications (like nitrous)  or in applications without an alternator.
Jason Fenske of Engineering Explained teamed up with Optima Batteries  to work his usual magic in explaining the differences between the  standard flooded-cell lead-acid and Optima's Absorbed Glass Mat (AGM)  style of battery.
As the name implies, a flooded-cell battery consists of six (in a  12-volt application) individual cells containing lead plates, which are  submerged in battery acid (the electrolyte), and a permeable separator  dividing the cell between the positively charged plates (cathode) and  the negatively-charged plates (anode). If you remember basic science,  when the anode and the electrolyte react, they want to shed electrons,  and the cathode wants to take those electrons. That flow of electrons is  electricity.



In  the usual EE fashion, Fenske illustrates the makeup of a spiral-cell  absorbed glass mat cell, along with how the fiberglass separator pulls  double-duty as both the insulator and electrolyte “sponge”.
As Fenske explains, the drawback of the flooded-cell battery is that  they require maintenance, since they aren't sealed units. The fact that  they aren't a sealed design—and vent to the atmosphere—also brings up  two other issues. First, if you were to relocate the battery into the  passenger compartment, you would need to ensure that the battery is  properly vented to the outside of the car. Two, is that you have to be  make sure you are mounting the battery perfectly upright in the car.
Additionally, due to the overall design required by a flooded-cell  battery, it is susceptible to internal parts breakage in harsh,  high-vibration environments, much like you'd find in a competition  vehicle subject to tire shake or high cornering forces, or even a street  car which has switched over to all solid engine and driveline mounts.

Moving on to the Absorbed Glass Mat batteries—specifically the  spiral-cell AGM design that Optima uses—the science behind how they work  is very similar, with a cathode, anode, electrolyte, and permeable  separator. However, the large difference is in their construction.
As the name suggests, each spiral-cell consists of a single sheet of  99.99-percent pure lead for that cathode, a fiberglass separator, and a  single sheet of lead as the anode, which is then wound into a spiral.  The compression of the winding allows for the softer pure lead to be  used, which leads to increased performance over the stiffer, stronger  lead alloy used in a flooded-cell battery.



As  seen here in a front-wheel drive drag car, the Optima AGM battery's  lack of liquid electrolyte allows it to be mounted in a wide variety of  non-traditional locations and orientations.
One of the key differences, and the reason for the “A” in “AGM” is  that the fiberglass is not only a separator, but also a sponge for the  electrolyte. That prevents gases from forming and escaping, the benefits  of which are three-fold. One, you don't ever need to worry about  refilling the water in the battery that has vented out. Two, you don't  need to worry about the battery off-gassing into the passenger  compartment in normal operation if you've relocated it inside for weight  distribution reasons. Three, since there is no liquid electrolyte  sloshing around inside the battery, you are able to mount the AGM  battery in a wide variety of positions.
So what does all of that mean for you and your high-performance  engine? Well, if you are taxing your starter more heavily, and demanding  more from your electrical system with high-draw solenoids—or are  physically beating up your battery in a rigid chassis—it only makes  sense that you upgrade your battery to one that is designed to live and  thrive in the environment you've created.




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i prefer the optima



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black06xlt wrote: i prefer the optima
10-12 years ago, so did I, partially because it was the brand name that was highly pushed in the Audio industry which I was a large part of way back when..

But as cars change, as needs of the cars change, and as the demands of the end user have tripled in the last decade. And it doesn't help when you're regressive in your design and only "Optim-ize" issues with no remedy and shorter life spans demanding same or more for a product. that's not good business model, that's surviving off a name and a myth surrounding an old legend or wives tale.

Just my opinion tho, everyone will use what works best for themselves and budgets.



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Being more than a little familiar with battery design and implementation, I went with Optima for my truck.  I have been happy.  A couple of years in, sitting for over a week, will turn immediately over in below 0 weather.

The EarthX battery in my bike is a Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePO4) chemistry.  It is not as forgiving of the cold, but I don't ride in the cold, and really all you have to do it turn the key and let it sit for a couple of minutes.  Works great, is 80% lighter than OEM, more power for that. 

This subject is like tires or oil.  Everybody will have their own opinion, and most people will never change it either...

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I really must check/remember what's in the truck, that thing barely moves most of the time, yet NEVER even slows or struggles to start, even below freezing.



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