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 Posted: Sat Jul 14th, 2018 07:38 pm
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 I'm in the market for a new Ranger and researching the benefit of going with the tried and tested 3.2l 6 speed auto vs the new soon to be released 2l bi turbo 10 speed auto. The price addition of $1200 is not significant enough to be the deciding factor. I do not plan frequent towing but will be off roading rather more often on a variety of surfaces ranging from gravel and sand to rocky. This will of course be mixed in with frequent freeway and city driving. 

I am interested in any opinions out there on the capability of a 10 speed transmission (or perceived capability given it is not available for testing yet!) off road as most tests done thus far on such transmissions (Ford F150) have been on tarmac or towing focused. A concern is the possibility of gear hunting with the larger number of gears on surfaces that transition from low to high traction constantly such as going from sand to gravel or rock. Thanks!
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 Welcome wije, we usually answer sooner but since we are primarily USA based we don't have the honor of purchasing a new Ranger.... yet. Hard to help with a decision!

However a twin turbo 2 liter sounds like it would be an awesome upgrade coupled with a 10 speed, it probably has a 10 speed for a reason I bet the power range of that 2L is pretty narrow a 10 speed would keep the drive train on top of the power band.

My wife has a CRV with a single turbo 1.5L and it would take my 4.0 Ranger after about the first 50 feet no problem.

Wonder why they didn't go CVT for the ranger?



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 +1 on what Jamman said. Also, if you have 4wd with the 10 speed and have a selectable high and low 4wd then you'd have a crazy low crawling gear to chug through anything. If it has one of those automatic transmissions that you can also shift manually by tapping up or down on the gear shift would be a huge plus

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 Thanks Jamman and VelociRanger for the replies.
I believe the F150 in the US has a 10 speed transmission although I have no idea if the one in the Ranger will be the same.
From what I have read the 10 speed is a step towards (or a compromise) for CVT. Anyways do you foresee any issues off roading which such a transmission?

I will be getting confirmation on if this transmission will indeed include a 4wd low range which I suspect it does.
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 Is it possible the Ranger you're talking about is the "Ranger Raptor"? If so...IT LOOKS AWESOME. I just looked it up, and the twin turbo 2.0 is a diesel, which makes it that much better for off-road....torque at low rpms, 6 available driving modes...couldnt really get much better than that. And yes, there is a 4low in the rock crawling mode. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/amp16667428/2019-ford-ranger-raptor-info-pictures-pricing/

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 It is indeed the same engine however in a Ranger XLT (which is all I can afford!).
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Well, whatever your decision please show us pictures of it!



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 JAMMAN wrote:
Welcome wije, we usually answer sooner but since we are primarily USA based we don't have the honor of purchasing a new Ranger.... yet. Hard to help with a decision!

However a twin turbo 2 liter sounds like it would be an awesome upgrade coupled with a 10 speed, it probably has a 10 speed for a reason I bet the power range of that 2L is pretty narrow a 10 speed would keep the drive train on top of the power band.

My wife has a CRV with a single turbo 1.5L and it would take my 4.0 Ranger after about the first 50 feet no problem.

Wonder why they didn't go CVT for the ranger?

Likely because the CVT has high heat issues which would likely land the Ranger in warranty aisles across the globe with failed trans issues.. much like Nissan cars have had among others. Not saying it couldnt be done, just maybe Ford does know its customers better than thought. lol



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Is it possible the Ranger you're talking about is the "Ranger Raptor"? If so...IT LOOKS AWESOME. I just looked it up, and the twin turbo 2.0 is a diesel, which makes it that much better for off-road....torque at low rpms, 6 available driving modes...couldnt really get much better than that. And yes, there is a 4low in the rock crawling mode. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/amp16667428/2019-ford-ranger-raptor-info-pictures-pricing/
The Ranger Raptor is slated to first and so far ONLY be released in Thailand for some reason. Apparently the dung-heads in Fords Marketing division bumped their   heads while under the desk of their superiors and came up with some stupid conclusion that the US market wouldnt-like it.. !

Sometimes.. depopulation theories start to make more sense some days.......



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 CVT's have had an image issue in the US as drivers here want to 'feel' the shift. 

I didn't know they were going to use the 10 for the new Ranger, I know the F150 and the Mustang get it.

I had also thought that Ford was getting over the concept of vehicles only being available in certain markets with their 'world vehicle' concept of only making one version of each model.  Damn.  But it's not like I was going to buy one, just might have liked the option to if I wanted...

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 Why do you need 10 forward gears? The only thing Ford ever made that needed that many gears would have been the LTL9000



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 :hi Wije, Glad you joined us. Have fun and enjoy F-R.
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 VelociRanger wrote: Is it possible the Ranger you're talking about is the "Ranger Raptor"? If so...IT LOOKS AWESOME. I just looked it up, and the twin turbo 2.0 is a diesel, which makes it that much better for off-road....torque at low rpms, 6 available driving modes...couldnt really get much better than that. And yes, there is a 4low in the rock crawling mode. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/amp16667428/2019-ford-ranger-raptor-info-pictures-pricing/Of course They wouldn't make it available for the U.S. market.:? :evil:



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 Hasn't there been issues with diesel not being able to pass emissions and such tests in the U.S., so they release them in other countries? If so that makes more sense to me, but still dumb that we won't have access to what could be a wonderful tribute to a wonderful truck.



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 I have heard about a diesel for the F150 "in the next couple of years" since the mid 90's. They finally got one this year. My cousin that worked at the Ford factory in south Atlanta always made excuse about emissions.



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 VelociRanger wrote:
Hasn't there been issues with diesel not being able to pass emissions and such tests in the U.S., so they release them in other countries? If so that makes more sense to me, but still dumb that we won't have access to what could be a wonderful tribute to a wonderful truck.
You can thank both Kalifornistan and stricter statutes in the US in other counties but at the same time I seem to loosely recall hearing our diesel fuel is dirty compared to other countries to start with possibly due to our processing policies? I'll have to go back and see if i can find out where that thought comes from.



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