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Posted: Sun Nov 4th, 2018 10:49 pm

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Just wanted to see what would happen if the wrong key did turn the ignition. Have heard it starts then dies, heard it wouldn't crank, heard it runs but dies when you put it in to gear...

Well here we go from trying it.

I took the ignition lock cylinder out of my explorer after stripping it. Was a 99 but had the transponder keys that did work.

The ranger I tried it on was a February 2000 with a 3.0, 2 working keys.

I put the expo cylinder in the ranger, took the original keys far enough away so they couldn't influence it.

When I put the expo key in even before I turned it the theft light started flashing rapidly. Upon turning the key to the start position nothing happened. No cranking at all. The minute the key was inserted the system knew it was the wrong transponder.

So there you have it. On an early 2000 ranger if something messes with the pats it just will not crank over at all.

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You probably know this and thats why you took the explorer keys far away. If you break the key with the transponder but have a door key that turns the tumbler, you can stack the transponder key on the other and it will start. You only need the transponder key to start it. Once it's running it will stay running.

I had heard that there were only about 100 different ignition keys for ford. I locked myself out of my 99 ranger. Keys were on the seat. I asked the first guy I saw with a ford truck if he could try his key and it worked!! A couple other times after that I wasnt so lucky.

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Hmm...interesting. When I tried to start my truck today, it wouldnt crank over at all. It, once again, did the thing where the CE light comes on and the trip guage reads nothing, but I did notice that the anti theft light started flashing rapidly along with the parking brake light and abs light...this is the key I bought it with though, and it's never not worked before. The key is worn, the metal (what looks like brass...?) Is showing, could that influence the Pat's? Shes a 2008

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As long as the little pill looking thing in the back of the key is talking with the ring around the front of the lock cylinder there should be no problem.

Does it eventually start? I didn't look at the rest of the lights just the theft light. It will be dark by the time I get home or I would do a video.

Then again 8 years might make a difference too mine is a 2000 but it is starting to sound like a pats problem.

A worn key wouldn't do it I don't think unless a small portion at the end was snapped off.

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VelociRanger wrote:
Hmm...interesting. When I tried to start my truck today, it wouldnt crank over at all. It, once again, did the thing where the CE light comes on and the trip guage reads nothing, but I did notice that the anti theft light started flashing rapidly along with the parking brake light and abs light...this is the key I bought it with though, and it's never not worked before. The key is worn, the metal (what looks like brass...?) Is showing, could that influence the Pat's? Shes a 2008
I'm guessing battery. Lose connection or door ajar overnight. You'd have to really damage the top part of the key to screw up the transponder. If you still have the original motorcraft battery it's probably gone bad. My 07 had it's original until a month ago. It started to take more cranks to start, then it stranded me twice. I assumed it was because I wasnt driving it as much. I had the alternator and battery tested and the battery failed.

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The radio and all lights work fine still so I dont think it's the battery. The terminals are clean and tight, and my door ajar light or any light wasn't left on overnight. The fuel pump doesn't even kick on right now.

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The radio and all lights work fine still so I dont think it's the battery. The terminals are clean and tight, and my door ajar light or any light wasn't left on overnight. The fuel pump doesn't even kick on right now.
Oh boy.... I'm just the service writer here. Lol. You'll need to speak with one of our service technicians. Wow!! My next suspect would be the starter, since you have power and the battery is good. But, more experienced minds are sure to help.

Edit: I was wondering where all the helpers were and I realized you are in JAMMANS thread. Even though it's a similar topic, I'm certain you would get more help if you started a new post.

My mother would always leave her door ajar or the dome light on and wonder why her car wouldnt start. So those are the first questions I ask out of habit. I'm sure it feels the same as the computer support person asking you to make sure everything is plugged in. Lol

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There's also a large chance that if you own a white Ranger that seems like a stripped down base model truck, it'll use a very common fleet key. Like all of the squad cars did. You can tell by looking at the way the key is cut. If it's the same cut on both sides of the key, then it's a fleet key. It's a very basic cut that anyone could duplicate. Nothing complex about it, unlike house keys, etc.

Hundreds of thousands of Rangers were spec'd out as fleet trucks and painted white. Some were 4 cylinders and some were 3.0's or 4.0's and most were long beds.

If you like to have a back-up key available to store under your truck, then a key without the PATS chip is a nice, safe/secure option, since it'll let you in the truck but it won't start the engine.

GB :)

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