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I decided to get organized and consolidate a thread I started at another place and continue to the present. I reference my disatifaction with my paint job in a lot of my posts so I thought I would start my project thread there. That way if anyone is interested why, they might understand. Also, it may help people who are considering repainting their ranger. I'll also post the link to the original if anyone is interested in some of the replays others contributed but I didnt transfer here.

I have had 3 rangers. My first was a 87 black 2door 2WD 4spd 4cyl. I paid $700 fo it and it only had 60k miles. It was hit on the passenger side by a drunk driver and the insurance totaled it out. I got $2,750 for it. I used that to buy a 94 cougar XR7 which was hit on the passenger side, only I was the drunk driver this time. My next ranger was a 99 red sport 4door 4WD 4.0L V6. I loved that truck!! I used it as a work truck till the tranny started to get soft at 200k miles. This was my first vehicle that I sold before it got in an accident or broke. That felt really weird. Before I sold it I bought my current 07 blue sport 4door 4WD 4.0L V 6. I was really attached to the red one and even though I had the 07 in the drive way I liked the 99 better at the time. I fixed everything that was broken in the 99 before I sold it because it was purchased for a daughter of a friend who was a new mother and I wanted to make sure it was dependable. 99 ranger sold now into Blue Magoo.

I used Blue Magoo as a work truck for several years. I made an arrangement with my employer since everyone else had a company vehicle but me. Im a chimney Mason.The apprentices were trashing the exterior and bed. The company was not compensating me for the use of my truck or covering any maintenance or insurance. I was covered by the company insurance but my bank required I that be insured for full coverage till it was paid for. My only perk for using my truck was free gas. So the arrangement I made was, use my truck as long as needed then pay for the paint job and once I got a company vehicle I will never have to use my truck for anything but getting myself to the shop. I'll never have to haul tools, materials, or apprentices ever again. I also stipulated that it's not going to be a macco paint job. I told the boss my truck never complained and did everything he asked and was well maintained and always working so he better not complain about the paint job. Lol. Oh my gosh did he cry....any way that puts us at the topic of paint which is a thread I started elsewhere and am transferring here. Happy reading.

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Ill transfer it here but here is the link in its entirety.

http://www.rangerforum.com/threads/inspecting-a-paint-job.10448/

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Hello, its my first post. Sorry for the novel. I'm thorough. Lol.

I have a 2007 ranger sport 4 door 4x4. This is my 3rd ranger but by far one of my nicest. I used it as a work truck for the company where I'm currently employed. I made an arrangement with my employer for a paint job in exchange for using my own truck until a company truck was available. I used my 99 for 3 of the years till the transmission started showing its age then my 07 for 4 years till recently. As of August I no longer use my truck for work and have sent it to be painted. I'm in construction and still live paycheck to paycheck so I couldnt afford a color change. The cost of painting it exceeded what my employer budgeted as well so there was no way to ask for more. My stock color is a nice blue anyway and i live in washington, because of the sucess of the seahawks blue is pretty well liked. Lol.

I was able to find a very reputable paint shop that has been in business for a long time and is used by owners of very high end sports cars and classic muscle cars. I did a lot of research before I chose this paint shop. I washed the exterior and detailed the interior like new. I take very good care of my vehicles so it wasn't hard. I delivered my truck to the shop expecting to have it back in 2 weeks. I called during the second week to find out it had been overlooked. Sensing it would become a rushed mask job instead of a high quality paint job, I told them I wanted to be wowed and take the necessary time....

I get to see it for the first time in 2 months this week!!! I've never had a whole car or truck painted before so I want to make sure my desire to drive it away and take it home or the excitement of seeing it, doesn't blind me from properly inspecting the finished work. I'm supposed to come view it on Wednesday evening.

Are there any blaring things that I should look for before I drive away? I haven't seen my truck in so long im afraid ill over look something. I'd rather ask them to fix it before i pay them so I have some leverage rather than get excited and tell them I'm happy but have to ask them to fix something after. Any tips and suggestions will be appreciated.

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Today I viewed my ranger at the paint shop. I wasn't sure what to expect, being my first complete paint job. All week ive been hoping it was final inspection, where i look for defects or approve the work and pick it up after they polish and wipe it down.

I arrived and waited in the lobby, imagining the count from counts customs calling for rolly to bring out my beautiful ranger.....back to reality. I was instructed to head out to the shop. As I walked through my disappointment set in....instead of seeing my truck painted, I pass by a table with my truck parts primed and ready for paint.

But there's hope!!! As I exit the first shop and emerge into the alley between, I am greeted with my ranger. It was stripped down to just the cab and fenders but it gleaned like a Colgate smile.

My truck color is called Vista blue I believe. Since I've been the owner its been painted on few times and for the most part respectively matching the original color. Since i couldnt afford a color change or any other extras, (swoshes, scallops, or pinstriping). I asked if there was any room for variation in the color, that idlike it on the darker side.

As I'm admiring the darker shade of blue and the sparkle of the metal flake, he shows me all the extra effort going into making this one hell of a nice looking truck. Untill I can post a photo i can only describe it as dark candy vista blue. The original vista blue was a kind of medium silvery blue with lots of small silver flake. The new paint is darker blue with a little small flake and a few big flakes. It sparkles like edward during the day if you get the silly reference.

Although the shop has been toying with my emotions by stringing me along on the progress. I'm confident that they are giving my truck their full attention when they are working on it. Lol. I'm willing to trade a speedy paint job for a masterpiece. They have done a great job making sure there will be no visible paint lines where the painted meets the unpainted. I don't think I have any concerns about the quality of paint job I'll be getting. Since they are loving on my truck, I think I'll let them finish and see what the baby looks like.

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When I went to view it last Thursday they showed me how far they painted down the back side of the cab and inside the cab around door areas. Because I asked for a darker tint than the original color without doing a color change they went a lot farther into the cab to insure there won't be any paint lines or old color visible except for one area behind the passenger side back door when it's all the way open and you look between the door and jump seat, you might see about 2-3 inches of the old color. Lol.

I do feel like I'm getting extras and a better paint job than their average customers so far. My truck had some scratches and dings and previous repairs I was not aware before they stripped it down. They filled, primed, sanded, primed, and sanded to blend any fill farther. Usually only gets filled, primed, and sanded before paint.

Thank you for your interest. I will post the results as soon as it's finished. Hopefully we still have some sunny days left so you can see it sparkle!!

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I called today and the box is on and the new wishield installed. There are a few small parts left to paint.

I know it's an awful long time to take to paint my truck, but I think the owner is doing my truck himself between small collision work. It is killing me being without my truck, but im not worried as much about how long its taking as i am making sure i get a great paint job. The shop i took it to is not a "whole in the wall" or a national chain. It's in an older building, the same one for 30-40 years and the owner works in and runs the shop.

He had a huge surge in work right when I scheduled the paint job. A month before, when i scheduled, the shop was busy. But when I dropped the truck off you could barely walk through the shop and all the parking spots out front, across the street, behind the shop were full with collision work. He went from having a dozen cars to easily having 50 or more.

I have very high expectations and expressed them when I dropped off the truck. I said no overspray, orange peel, runs or paint lines. I also said i dont want a rush job. Lol. I wanted to be wowed!! He offered to help with a rental and i thanked him for the offer but declined. I told him im not going to beat him up on the price i just want his best work. I made sure parts were being removed and painted instead of masking them off.

Im very nearly getting a frame off restoration. Lol. Minus the frame and drive train. All but 3" of the very bottom of the back of the cab behind the bed was sanded, primed, sanded, primed, blocked and painted. All the dents, dings and scratches were filled, primed, sanded, primed, blocked and painted to feather out any blemishes. He did the same With the firewall as far as he could without pulling the cab off or yanking the engine. With the front and back doors removed, he painted a good 4-6" into the cab so no paint lines are visible because I darkened the original vista blue.

Everything on my truck is painted, front and rear bumpers, mirror backs, door handles, grill, and fender flares so there is lots of little stuff on top of the body to disassemble, prep, paint and put back together.

If it was the only thing he was painting 2 weeks is more than enough time. I feel good about it so far. To me, it feels like he just keeps adding more work to it each time we've talked. After seeng the lengths and effort he's going through, I really think itd be a cover shoot quality job if there were ranger resto mags. But we'll see. I only regret not taking a bunch of before pics so you can see how it used to look.

I'm feeling lucky!! I think I'll have it next week. Lol. I'm kinda nervouse and concerned on how to care for and maintain it once it's back at home. Anxiety. Lol!!

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Any concerns I had about inspecting my paint job have been put to rest!! I was invited to drop by the shop and view it one more time today. The shop owner grabbed me from the lobby and nearly drug me back to my truck. Now, its still has some of the smaller stuff that needs to get put back on like lights, mirrors, fender flares, running boards, and grill. But the doors, fenders, hood and bed were all on when i dropped by today.

I just have to say, IT WAS WORTH THE WAIT!!! Oh my goodness, it is gorgeous!! I snapped photo of it so far and uploaded it for everyone. I will get some better pics when its all done.

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Thursday, I do the final inspection. If everything looks great, ill pick it up and pay for it on Friday!!! Sunday, I drop it off at linex and get the bed and bedrails done. Im getting the linex renew with uv protection. Monday evening Itll be mine again. All mine!!!

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After I read this I looked at a few 2003 fx4s on the web that touted the sonic blue and it does look simmilar. I agree, sonic blue is a great shade of blue.

So when i stopped by the paint shop I asked about how they came up with the darker shade, if it was indeed sonic blue or a darker vista blue in case it ever needs any touch ups.

This is what I was told. When ford is finished painting one color there will be some residule from the previous color, not enough to notice unless you park 2 or more of the same colors together but still not enough to make a big difference.

So there is room for variation on my paint code which was vista blue. Because those 2 colors are very close, there is a good chance it could match both colors. I think sonic is slightly darker.

Because you'e put sonic blue in my head, ill always see my paint color a little darker now, even when my eyes dont. Lol. Im good with that. Thank you!!

I was asked if it was sonic blue
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So far I've been happy even with the delays because they've been stringing me along with BS and havent really done much and the extras they promised are things I have to take their word they actually did. In act two the spell is wearing off. You'll begin to see what a villian the owner of the paint shop really is.

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Before I begin act two there are a few things I wanted to share.

I had a hard time finding a paint shop that would paint the entire truck. Of the 3 places that would, one wanted 10k just to prep for paint. The guy kept talking about the Porsche he painted that was on the cover of some magazine. So I passed on them because they were too full of themselves and I figured he wouldnt do a good job unless it was an exotic sports car.

The second shop was apprehensive doing the entire truck because it was more than they usually do and as busy as he was he thought it might take him a month but he gave me an estimate anyway.

The third shop had no issues doing the whole truck and said he could do it in 2 weeks.

All 3 shops had good reputations and had been in business for a long time. The 2 that gave me estimates were within $500 of each other.

I went with the 3rd shop. But before I dropped it off I realized he was only painting the body. I had him quote me a price for the bumpers, mirrors, grill and tailgate. That added another $2k. My boss had reluctantly agreed on the original estimate but I knew he wouldnt pay for the rest so that came out of my pocket.

I scheduled the job for july 29th 2017 and scheduled my vacation for the same dates. I had the interior detailed before I dropped it off so when I recieved the truck it would be mint inside and out. I dropped the truck off and was assured it would be done in 2 weeks. I called the day before it supposed to be done and the owner said, we got 2 weeks right?.....ugh!!! Yeah from the date I dropped it off I said. So that's when I said, I'd rather you take as much time as you need to do a good job. I dont want a rush job. I worked really hard to have this done and want a good job. As you can see by the dates on my posts they dropped the ball by a considerable amount and basically took advantage of my kindness and back burned my truck for 2 months before they actually started to work on it.

I work very near to this shop often and I never saw my truck outside so I assumed it was being worked on and the owner assured me each week that work had started. I dropped by unannounced and the owner walked me out to the front of the shop to a white car. He said feel this. He told me that's how smoothe my truck was going to be. Later on he said the car had the porcelain protection on it. So I cant even be sure he painted the car but it was just another way to placate me and get me out of there without knowing if my truck was really being worked on.

So I'll post act two later on tonight. Thank you for reading!

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Ugh!!! The emergency brake cable is giving them trouble. It snakes through and takes a bunch of turns and ends under the dash. I guess its a pita. I will have it for sure saturday. I could have waited for it today but they want to detail it first. Its friday the 13th.

Everything else is on and it looks awesome. I can' wait to see it all together and polished!!!

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Thursday he told me he need a$1000 ccash cause he had to sub out some of the assembling because he was behind. He promised it would be ready that friday. I got the cash and I had my co worker drop me off. They weren't done. I told the owner I would wait. He finally had to tell me it wouldnt be finished, but said to call by noon saturday and it should be ready. Just a few little things and he wanted to clean it up. Stupid me I didnt want to carry the cash so o paid in full in good faith.

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Well, I got my truck back. I'm pretty disappointed. It's not finished. Where do I start.....

Sides and the bottom of the tailgait didn't get painted. They forgot to paint the backs of my mirrors. Paint looks like the skin of an orange. Small defects in the paint in a few places ( little hard spots that look like a grains of sand in a few spots). I didn' have the inside of the cab painted but was assured it would be rolled in so as to not be noticeable, but it appears that when the doors were off they just trashed the interior side. There are scratches on the inside of the door where the new paint is and at the bottom of the doors there is either old or new damage that if I'd have known about id have asked to have it addressed while the doors are off. I think its new damage though. A couple of mouldings are missing their fasteners. My inner fender rubber was missing on one side. The tailgate emblems were not installed yet. I have to look at some older pictures to see, but I think my little factory mud flap things are missing. And the interior is filthy. The wash job for delivery looks like they payed a kid $5 to wash. And the owner was not there to present or explain the condition or ask if I'm happy. Which I'm not, I'm pissed.

I had my wheels and interior professional detailed before and washed the exterior and pressure washed the bed before I dropped it off to be painted, because that's how I wanted to receive it upon delivery. But instead a got it with dust in the vents, dust in the steering wheel. Hand prints on the rear glass a smuggy mirror and all the vinyl looks like they used a sponge and dirty water just like the exterior.

I'm embarrassed and ashamed that I trusted that they were going to fulfill all their promises. So I'm hesitant to post photos but I will any way.

You' think that if they had it 3 months it's be perfect, finished, and detailed. Right?

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So I drop it off for the linex bedliner and bedrails Sunday and if they do it in a timely manner like they said, ill have it back Monday evening so I can return it to the paint shop again...

The only thing I'm happy with is the color. The light is not good right now. Hopefully I can take better pictures when they fix everything

I've been so excited, I've told friends, neighbors, and family about my truck getting painted and everyone has said it's taking too long. So I was excited to pick it up and show everyone.... until I picked it up.

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I actually read that entire thread and was wondering since it has been over a year now how is it holding up? Time is the best measure of how good the prep on paint actually was. There is a guy at work that got hit in the rear with his 150, had a bed painted to match. A year later it was rusting out at the fender wells like they painted over salt.

Is your paint shop (the one you took it to) still in business?

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I actually read that entire thread and was wondering since it has been over a year now how is it holding up? Time is the best measure of how good the prep on paint actually was. There is a guy at work that got hit in the rear with his 150, had a bed painted to match. A year later it was rusting out at the fender wells like they painted over salt.

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I'm not too sure how thick the paint or clear coat is. Which is another reason I had a professional do the sealer. There is a spot on the hood and one on the door , both are on the edge and it looks like.... I'll need to take a pic. Easier to show than explain. Also found 2 more defects. Hopefully you guys can see this. It's about the size of a strip of packing tape and wasnt visible till after it went to the salon. Its looks like water but it isnt. Lol.

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I actually read that entire thread and was wondering since it has been over a year now how is it holding up? Time is the best measure of how good the prep on paint actually was. There is a guy at work that got hit in the rear with his 150, had a bed painted to match. A year later it was rusting out at the fender wells like they painted over salt.

Is your paint shop (the one you took it to) still in business?
I'm not too sure how thick the paint or clear coat is. Which is another reason I had a professional do the sealer. There is a spot on the hood and one on the door , both are on the edge and it looks like.... I'll need to take a pic. Easier to show than explain. Also found 2 more defects. Hopefully you guys can see this. It's about the size of a strip of packing tape and wasnt visible till after it went to the salon. Its looks like water but it isnt. Lol.

Overall I like the color and it looks nice, if it was earl shive or macco job it would be awesome. Because it cost about 5times as much as a macco I was expecting it to look like it just rolled off the dealership. My expectations were not show quality, I just wanted it to look new

Yes the paint shop is still in business but i have lost faith in their ability. I have lots to add to the experience that I didnt include in the original thread that should make that pretty clear. Lol.

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As for durability, madmax will love this. It's been in over 50-100 car washes I'd guess because birdshit happens.... at least once a week or more before it had sealer applied.

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We left off where I get to pick up the truck. I'm super excited, it's been a long time coming and my expectations are a bright and shiny truck with a super clean interior.

NOPE, NOT EVEN CLOSE.
We will start with the interior. It WAS professionally detailed the week it was dropped off to the paint shop. It looked brand new inside.

They didnt bag the seats, or cover the dash, or put paper floor coverings... instead they removed the front windshield and just sanded away. I was replacing the front windshield because it looked sandblasted. Later in they will use the fact that my interior was detailed as an excuse to why their paint job was so bad.

Lots of dust on everything.
Ok now let's look at the outside where the majority of work is.

Nice wash job!!! You think a detailer at a paint shop would know to wash from the top down.... this is the roof of the cab as delivered after $10k...

Now for things I thought should be included.

And the things they forgot that are included

And now for 2 of the major defects in workmanship that they wont fix and tried to blame me for but I'll get in to that a little further

This is on the driver door by the lock where they chipped the fresh paint. The owner looked me up and down and saw I had a zipper on my sweatshirt and said it was probably my zipper. Lol.

This might be hard to see. Its below the back window on the passenger side. I call this one the Australian defect. No offense to Australia. If you look directly in the middle you'll see a lighter color defect that to me looks like the continent of Australia. Lol

So next up in the thread transfer I'll be trying to convince myself I'm too picky, they arent finished, I'm over reacting, etc... all just to keep from returning the truck "discount tire style"

Stay tuned more to come...

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I may have over reacted due to the fact that it wasn't finished when delivered and it wasn't washed and detailed properly but mostly because the owner wasn't there for the presentation to make sure I was pleased with the work.

The unpainted places like the sides of the tailgate and the bottom of the doors could have been noticed on a preliminary inspection before delivery and I could have asked to have that included. The imperfections and defects in workmanship could have been addressed then as well.

The condition of my interior and the crappy wash job are heartbreaking because i paid to have the interior perfect before I dropped it off so it was perfect when It was delivered. The exterior can be polished and washed again but after 3 months it should have been perfect as well. Missing emblems don't take long to put on if they are ordered. Why the filler neck was only held up by the gas cap im not sure but it made for a real pain getting gas.

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Most of my unhappiness is in the customer service department. I love the color. As far as the paint goes im not sure as to whether i like it. It reflects like a mirror and is hard to take images up close without it flecting back. When I step back and look at the whole truck it has a chunky look to it, like a texture. It's hard to describe. I'l take some more pics today after the dew dries but it may not be visible in pictures. It's smoothe to the touch but could feel smoother...

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Most of my unhappiness is in the customer service department. I love the color. As far as the paint goes im not sure as to whether i like it. It reflects like a mirror and is hard to take images up close without it flecting back. When I step back and look at the whole truck it has a chunky look to it, like a texture. It's hard to describe. I'l take some more pics today after the dew dries but it may not be visible in pictures. It's smoothe to the touch but could feel smoother...

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Had a weird gloss to it. Really hard to describe. Its visible in this shot

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These first 2 pics are the first shots offer getting it back from the paint shop. They dont really show how it looks cause the suns going down.

These are the next day. Here you can see it has a funny glossy look. Very hard to describe, it's almost blurry...

Its really apparent in these next 2

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