Another 2002 v8 swap - 8 Cylinder Gasoline - Ranger Engine Tech

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JAMMAN wrote:
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Yea I might just live with obx since currently they are that much cheaper than torque monsters.
Is that the version for the P heads and do you or do you not have P heads? The non P 's cheaper since they don't have the 2 piece passenger side. I don't see the 2 piece in the picture.
Says they fit the years of P heads which I have.

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And I hate to be a double downer LOL but you will have a longer road than you think mounting those seats in your ranger. Do plenty of research first. I myself wouldn't attempt it unless it was for a customer request.
Well I kinda already got a set mounted and wired in

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The wiring is the least of the concerns, did you drill the rails off and install the rails off your seats?

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The wiring is the least of the concerns, did you drill the rails off and install the rails off your seats?
The heated seats from the limited unbolt from the motor tracks, as do my current set. One bolt in each corner

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Then I have been instructed incorrectly, I thought it was a much more lengthy process.

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JAMMAN wrote:
Then I have been instructed incorrectly, I thought it was a much more lengthy process.
the current seats in the truck now came strait out no changes what so ever bolted right up no problem and they are sooo much more comfortable than factory seats.

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You will want to run a 60 amp fuse and large power wire to the two seats for the heaters. You can get the ground locally at one of the seat to body bolts
Well done!
I love my Explorer heated seats

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You will want to run a 60 amp fuse and large power wire to the two seats for the heaters. You can get the ground locally at one of the seat to body bolts
Well done!
I love my Explorer heated seats
Think I could run a wire just for the heaters? I got the other power wires nicely tucked away I'd rather not mess with them.

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I think you SHOULD run a wire just for the heaters. Behind a 60 amp fuse right off the hot lug at the PDC. The stereo amp places have nice little covered boxes for the fuses. I don't think it is necessary to bring it off the battery terminal though that would look cool.

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There should be am open spot in your factory fuse box for a large blade 60 amp fuse. This is what the heated seats use in the Gen II explorers

One wire from fuse box to both seats.
I wired up my BII this way, put a 60 amp fuse in the 93 power dist box, one power wire runs along the passenger (battery in 88 is on pass side) floorboard then dips under the pass seat, over the hump and to the drivers seat, under the carpet. The ground wire goes to one of the seat mount bolts into the body
My heated seats have been wired this way for 10+ years
The regular power functions, air lumbar have separate power feeds not combined with the heater circuit.
The explorer seats are wicked cool because the heater and switch to control it are all mounted in the seats.
In later years the controls are all mounted on the dash....which makes it harder.
Not impossible but more difficult. Like the heated and cooled seats I put in my 97 required 7 pole switches to control the heat and cool functions from the dash....lots of wiring there

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There should be am open spot in your factory fuse box for a large blade 60 amp fuse. This is what the heated seats use in the Gen II explorers

One wire from fuse box to both seats.
I wired up my BII this way, put a 60 amp fuse in the 93 power dist box, one power wire runs along the passenger (battery in 88 is on pass side) floorboard then dips under the pass seat, over the hump and to the drivers seat, under the carpet. The ground wire goes to one of the seat mount bolts into the body
My heated seats have been wired this way for 10+ years
The regular power functions, air lumbar have separate power feeds not combined with the heater circuit.
The explorer seats are wicked cool because the heater and switch to control it are all mounted in the seats.
In later years the controls are all mounted on the dash....which makes it harder.
Not impossible but more difficult. Like the heated and cooled seats I put in my 97 required 7 pole switches to control the heat and cool functions from the dash....lots of wiring there
Do you know if the wiring in the fuse box can support that many amps? I'm not afraid to run new wiring. I've seen enough fires start from morons tapping into the fuse box for power and putting too large of a fuse (I'm not calling you a moron 410customs!!!)

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yes the same fuse box came from the factory with power heated seats in the explorer, this is why you should have an open spot where you can add another fuse and power feed wire

Do not tap into a wire, add a new wire just like factory.
Or just add a wire directly to the + terminal at the power box or battery, just make sure you fuse it. You can use an amplifier install kit type fuse and wire too.......

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4.0power wrote:
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And I hate to be a double downer LOL but you will have a longer road than you think mounting those seats in your ranger. Do plenty of research first. I myself wouldn't attempt it unless it was for a customer request.
Well I kinda already got a set mounted and wired in
Looks great, I love the set of those I have in my 97. I had to convert mine to manual because single cab.

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97rangerstepside wrote:
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And I hate to be a double downer LOL but you will have a longer road than you think mounting those seats in your ranger. Do plenty of research first. I myself wouldn't attempt it unless it was for a customer request.
Well I kinda already got a set mounted and wired in
Looks great, I love the set of those I have in my 97. I had to convert mine to manual because single cab.
Thanks man! You wouldn't happen to have any pictures of yours? I've wanted to mount them in my single can but can't see how with out building new brackets

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4.0power wrote:
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And I hate to be a double downer LOL but you will have a longer road than you think mounting those seats in your ranger. Do plenty of research first. I myself wouldn't attempt it unless it was for a customer request.
Well I kinda already got a set mounted and wired in
Looks great, I love the set of those I have in my 97. I had to convert mine to manual because single cab.

Thanks man! You wouldn't happen to have any pictures of yours? I've wanted to mount them in my single can but can't see how with out building new brackets

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97rangerstepside wrote:
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And I hate to be a double downer LOL but you will have a longer road than you think mounting those seats in your ranger. Do plenty of research first. I myself wouldn't attempt it unless it was for a customer request.
Well I kinda already got a set mounted and wired in
Looks great, I love the set of those I have in my 97. I had to convert mine to manual because single cab.

Thanks man! You wouldn't happen to have any pictures of yours? I've wanted to mount them in my single can but can't see how with out building new brackets

Hopefully these help, I swapped my 60/40 seat tracks from my old seats onto these. It was simple as unbolting from those and bolting them onto these. I read somewhere on another forum that you need 93-97 single cab tracks to make them work into a single cab, I've never swapped seats into a 98+ single cab so I don't 100% know how accurate that was.
Looks like a trip the local junk yard is due! Tons of late 90's rangers up there. I'd love to put the non heated set to use in a truck rather than make a couch out of the two lol.

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seats look great you guys! those limited seats sure are comfy and they seem to hold up better then the other models I do believe the limiteds have thicker pleather seriously they do

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Watch out 410 I got a container ship full of which circuit function does what on the swap harness.

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Big wiring question!!! I began on the conversion of the two 42 pin connectors. Note when I put down a number (14) I'm talking about PIN numbers not Circuit numbers.

EXPO TO RANGER
1 1- voltage in start/run
2. 2 tachometer
3. 3 data link negative
4. 4 brake pedal switch
5 is fuel pump relay output on expo harness, I wasn't sure which pin it needs to go to on the ranger side
6. 6 check motor light
7 7 vss input
8 8 voltage at all times
9 is vehicle power on the expo, again wasn't to sure where to hook it up on the ranger harness
10. 27 BLANK
11. 11 data link positive
12 in the evtm the expo has this circuit labeled tranny connector switch should I hook it up to ranger 12 (pcm to tranny over drive cancel switch)?
13 TX signal- no clue on where to hook it up on the ranger harness
14 14 canister vent
15 5 fuel pump relay

I noticed that the expo 42 pin connector has 6 empty pins when the ranger only has like 2... and the expo has a ton more grounds than the ranger. I sure I'm forgetting some stuff but I'm tired lol.

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okay let me see what i can do to make your life easier
Ill post up some wiring info see if it helps :)

You should not have to move any wires inside the 42 pin connector
The explorer 5.0 harness does things a little differently, some of the 5.0 connections are in another harness, the alternator plug
so we simply need to add them to get a few wires to meet up and then everything else is plug n play

Your 5.0 donor was a 96 pre pats
The truck is a 2002 Ranger
Those are just notes to remind me of whats what

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Continued
Expo. To. Ranger
16 16 coolant temp gauge input
17 17 fuel pump transducer
18 signal return from fuel tank no clue on what ranger circuit to put this one to
19 19 voltage reference
20. 20 tranny range sensor input- would the digital tranny ranger be the one to hook this too?
21 21 voltage supplied in reverse
22. Data link connector-module programming signal?
23. 27 blank
24. Start signal feed- would it go to 28 starter relay control?
25 25 voltage in run
26 26 oil pressure input gauge
27. Fuel flow output- would it go to 17 fuel pressure transducer
28 not used on the expo side of things
29 29 4x4 low range gauge
30 not used on the expo side of things
31. 28 starter relay control
32 not used expo connector
33 electronic shift control module feed
34. 34 ground
35 another blank on the expo side of things
36 positive feed to 02 sensors
37 a/c high pressure cutout switch input
38 another blank in the expo side of things
39 vapor management valve
40 40 tranny control lamp
41 42
42 power ground expo 42 pin connector

That was a lot of typing! Note the first circuit ie (fuel flow output) is the expo and (fuel pressure transducer) is the ranger side. If any of this makes sense lol.

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okay so thinking about your wiring here it should not be terribly difficult on the engine side of things.
The only wire that really needs to do anything on that 42 pin plug should be the alternator feeds?

Pin 42 on the 96 explorer engine side is a large black with white wire, That is a ground.
On the 02 side of things pin 42 is probably yellow with white?

Pin 41 on the truck side should be green/red stripe?
Pin 41 on engine side should be blank

Lets start there

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410customs wrote:
okay so thinking about your wiring here it should not be terribly difficult on the engine side of things.
The only wire that really needs to do anything on that 42 pin plug should be the alternator feeds?

Pin 42 on the 96 explorer engine side is a large black with white wire, That is a ground.
On the 02 side of things pin 42 is probably yellow with white?

Pin 41 on the truck side should be green/red stripe?
Pin 41 on engine side should be blank

Lets start there
Ok ranger: 42 blank 42 is black with white stripe

expo 42 black with white stripe
41 is blank

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perfect
did you see the wiring I just did on the 98? For the alternator?
Yours will be similar

I also will be wiring up a 2001 sport trac this week for my stepson. I will show you what we have to do to the sport trac. His sport trac is a late build 01, so it had pats type B. We will be KEEPING the 01 sport trac door and igntion lock key. Piggyback the 99 style PATS system A into the trucks wiring and then PROGRAM the type B key to work with our V8 PCM and PATS type A system...
Also wire up the power distribution and alternator harness

We are just waiting on parts in the mail from my friend Brett in Colorado who did all the hard stuff for me on this one (He has the programmer that will do the pats stuff, he sent it to me to use!)

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