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Last minute, I decided to cancel my line x appointment fearing the bed would look like my interior instead of brand new. I dropped my truck off at the paint shop and explained that I was NOT happy with the experience so far.

This was how it was presented to me. I nearly cried. It looked like they used the same bucket to wash the inside and the outside. I guess no one taught the detailer to wash from the top down.

So disappointed in this shop so far...

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Yeah, I spoke with the owner. Showed him what I didn't like. He told me he was really busy this week and wanted me to keep the truck. I've played that game before and i didn't let him finish. I told him no, I don't want to see the truck till it's ready for final inspection. I told him since he's had it for 3 months it needs to get finished. He started to say it's not a show truck, i told him after 3 months it better be. I told him i want to do a final inspection before receiving and that he needs to be present when it happens. I told him I have a rental for one week, get it done! We shook hands and i left. I hope I didn't scare him, I get animated when I'm upset and start swinging my arms and huffing and puffin. Lol.

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I called today to see where they were with my truck. The owner said it could be ready by 5:30 sat evening but to call Friday at 3pm. Its gonna be dark and rainy by that time Saturday. I'm going to request that it be dry and well lit.

After seeing the truck last time, I'm very concerned that, short of taking it all apart and repainting it, it's gonna look like a really nice paint job from 20 feet but sloppy as hell when you stand near it.

I've been waiting 7 years to have this done as per the agreement with my employer, 3 months to get it back from the paint shop. I have lots of friends, relatives, neighbors, co workers, and acquaintances from my trade all anxiously waiting to see my truck, especially because of how long it's been at the paint shop. Everyone's gonna want to see it and look it over real good. Thank goodness no one saw it but you guys last week.

I've been defending the shop from people expressing that it's been an awful long time, by repeating what the owner says to me " I WILL wow you. It's gonna be NICE!!! Feel this car, that's how smooth your truck will be after Its finished, youre gonna want to park it because it's gonna be so nice!!

So if I'm disappointed again, what should I do? Take it somewhere else? Ask him to do it better?

The shop across the street just painted a co workers 2015 dodge ram pickup bed with a really sparkly brown with no defects and he didnt need to raise any issues with the shop. No, come back later and we'll fix that. Or, sorry you truck was so dirty.

I was told that the products the detail shop used to detail my interior prior to getting it painted were responsible for some of the defects. The owner said he had to wash his hands every time he touched the interior. Why wouldn't they protect my seats, dash and floors from all the dust with plastic an masking tape? Wouldn't that have solved the issue? Aren't professionals supposed to recognise a hazard like that and take the neccessary steps to prevent that from causing problems? Aren't they supposed to wash the truck several times? Once before base coat, after wet sand, degrease before clear coat and after the final sand n polish, and before delivery for sure!! Right?

Oh, after a typical paint job don't they usually wet sand or polish the paint? This is the 3rd paint shop to try and deliver a vehicle to me before they finish. Is this typical as well?

Lastly, am I expecting too much for a $8,500 paint job for a truck with only minor scratches and chips.

I like to keep my vehicles clean and shiny, so it's gonna bug the hell out of me if every time I wash the truck I see the defects.

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Updating my paint job journal. Lol.

When I called the paint shop after 3 on Friday they moved the ready time to noon Saturday. Saturday I called from noon till 2pm and no one answered. So I took a drive down to see why no one was answering. The shop was closed and my truck was inside and the emblems were still missing so I assumed it wasn't ready. Would have been nice to get a phone call saying so.

I called Monday afternoon and spoke with the owner, he didn't say anything about Saturday. He listed off a bunch of things he's doing resolve the problems they say I caused by having my interior detailed before getting it painted. Supposedly it will be ready by Tuesday evening. At this point I'm only hoping I'll be happy with the results. A co worker had his truck bed painted at the shop next door and it looks perfect. I'm hoping mine will look as good, but it should look better. I had planned on giving the paint shop a great review after it was done but at this point i think ill just keep quiet.

I thought this was going to be a great experience, but instead it feels more like going to the dentist. You think you've done a great job taking care of your teeth only to find out you need to come back and get a root canal and a bunch of fillings. Ugh...

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I try to be nice but I get confused when people mistake my kindness for weakness and try to take advantage of me. I'm really glad I had the weekend to cool off before I dropped the truck off. Otherwise I might be going to prison for vehicular manslaughter. Ohhhh I was pissed....

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I drove my truck home tonight!!! Oh my god, im so happy to be done with this.

Its not show qaulity, its adequate. They fixed a few of the things and polished the paint better. The interior was cleaned better and the overall appearance is much better.

I plan on getting the porcelain or c9 protection once it cures. They do a surface correction as part of the process and I think that will smooth out any of the rougher orange peel.

It was getting dark when I picked it up but I think they fixed the fish eyes and smoothed out the paint some. It has a much better look than before. It no longer has that weird reflection, like an oil sheen on water. Now it looks like a shiny paint job that was just polished. I can live with it. Next stop line x!!

It's supposed to be sunny tomorrow, ill take some new pics then and see if it looks any different for you guys.

Thanks for participating in my thread mhoward!!

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Here I go trying to convince myself I expect to much again.

This is my third experience with a paint shop. My first complete paint job. This is typical to me. Everyone wants to promise the moon but do as little as possible to collect a check. If you come back with a list of 10 defects they will usually do a few and hope those help you over look the rest. If that doesn't do it then they wear you out by either inconveniencing you or making it financially difficult by having you drop it off over and over or using a rental etc... If that doesn't do it your only recourse is to sue and that's a pain in the ass too.

By the time all said and done everyone will say, you could have bought a new car with that much money. But they don't make rangers anymore. At least not yet.

This was the closest I could get to getting a new one and I think it's gonna be alright. If it was too nice I'd be scared to drive it, right? Lol. I think I'm too picky a lot of the time. I'm pretty sure most of you would love this paint job and be quite happy. I just expect perfection because that's what I try to deliver in my trade. I'm always trying to make it better than the last time.

I still have to get a few misc pieces to pick up from the paint shop. Maybe I'll just post the link to my paint journal here in a yelp review after I've finished up all my dealings and am certain I won't need to see them again.

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Today was the first day I really had a chance to look at the paint. I started out by going to the parts house and buying a shammy and oil, filter, and I already had a new air filter in my garage. After i had the oil changed I when through a brushless car wash because I'm scared I'm gonna be blamed for the things they still need to fix and the paint is really new. It was the only way I could really inspect the paint. I shammied the truck dry and went to an empty lot to take a few photos while the sun was still out. The finish is much better this time around. Not sure you will be able to see in the pictures. .

I walked around the truck and used my clean hands to feel the panels. I found 6 or 7 bumps that felt the size of a large grain of sand. I also found an area by the driver door lock the has a chips or flakes. Very small ones but the defect covers an area the size of a dime. There is another spot on the passenger side rear door about the size of a tic tac that looks like the clear didn't adhere. It's painted but it catches the light different. I'll try and get a close up picture of it tomorrow when its not to sunny.

There is an area by the passenger side taillight that almost looks like the paint might bubble. It's a bump with some give.

I tried to describe everything in the best detail I could because I'm trying to see if that many and kind of defects even though they are small are acceptable for my level of paint job.

I thought painters could lay down good paint. I thought the only thing that was different for a show quality job was how smooth they worked out the clear. I think if you have the doors and hood off you could make sure there were no little bumps to snag a wash rag. They are able to do it when they blend repairs, why can't they do it when they have the whole panel?

If these last defects can be fixed in a satisactory way I could move on and be happy with the job. So I feel like I'm in limbo till I get this taken care of.

Am I being too nit picky?

The other shop that I liked said it was too big of a job for them but gave me an competitive estimate anyway. He said it would take him a month and tie up his staff too long. But it is a good shop with a good reputation. I'm going to see what he thinks of the job and the defects before I return to get the last few items missing from the truck. (My paint shop ordered another driver side mirror back and a license plate light housing. Mine was broke on the passenger side.)

This over all has been a manic nightmare of stress and a rollercoaster of unpleasantness that seems like it will drag on into next year possible.

I really didn't want to have a relationship with my paint shop. My intent was to drop it off, then pick it up and see a remarkable transformation, pay my bill and never look back. Lol. Instead I get to play this game again where I drop it back off and pick 10 things to fix, they fix 3 and i repeat till I get tired of it or they fix it all.

Hopefully I have the constitution to stick it out. I have so many other projects and things I'd rather be doing to the truck and around the house instead.

On the bright side. I love driving my truck. It has such a good suspension and power. It's such joy to drive. Which is why i got in this mess in the first place, Im in love with my truck. lol. Isn't It obvious. Lol.

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The owner says he will fix everything. But as most who have delt with expensive repairs either on a car or a house it takes perseverance.

Friday I drop the truck off for what is supposed to be a final time. There are about 7-10 nibs or dust and sand grains and the 2 defects in the picture. I really wish they would smooth out the clear better but I understand, since he's already been paid he's going to do as little as possible.

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I've been hoping to conclude this thread but unfortunatlyit's not over yet.

So far, Ive keept hoping for the best, but this week I'm preparing for worst. I keep assuming the paint shop will do their diligence and complete the paint job. I scheduled the bed liner a 3rd time believing they were done forthursday.

Monday i call the paint shop again and let him know its still not as promised and to find out when the last parts arrive. I do my liner anyway at this point and arrange to pick it up from line x and drop it off at the paint shop Thursday night so they can finish it friday. Supposedly my parts will be there as well. When I drop it off Thursday he says the defect on the door was probably....., he looked around and pointed at the zipper on my sweatshirt and said, from a zipper or something. He said it wasnt there when it left his shop because his guy went down the sides. I said bs, if your guy went down the sides he would have gotten the nibs and i wouldnt be here. I show them 10 things to fix, they fix 2 and make a really big deal about the 2 and hope I'll not check the rest. It's wearing me out. He says he'll need it till Saturday. I remind him the last time he said Saturday no one was there. Then he says Monday because his brother invited him to a collage football game and Sunday he's going to the NFL game. (I'm only paying for a rental in the mean time, right?) On monday he says itll be done at the end of day, so I ask if it'll be ready to pick up Tuesday? He says that'll be better. The office guy calls tuesday on his behalf ( a phone call from them, that's a first) he says it won't be ready till wednesday. We'll see...

After our conversation last friday I lost any confidence this was going to end well after he blamed me for the chip in the door. I did some searching and made some calls. If the vehicle is not as promised, I'm going another route.

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It's been dark and rainy this week but after having the truck since Wednesday I think I can conclude this thread. I ran my hands down the body like a young man with his first lady. Lol. I'm happy with the color, finish and it's smooth. It has everything back on it with a new line x bedliner and looks beautiful. Now i just want to put the experience in the rear view mirror and look for a v8 doner with all the interior pieces I want to incorporate. I'll probably buy an explorer and use it as a daily driver while I swap out its power leather bucket seats, console and lighted mirror visors while I ponder how I want to lift it and how high. Not sure if I want a body lift, suspension lift or both. I'l be keeping the v6 till it expires and then swap out the rear diff, axels, disc brakes and motor eventually. The interior will get a new headliner and leather on the jump seats and I'll replace the door fabric with leather and restuff and recover the buckets to match. That's my dream. I aim high!!. Lol.

As soon as I get a chance I'll take some pics of it as it is now.

Thanks to those who replied and those who read

Project Blue Magoo coming soon!!! She is anxious to meet you all. Lol.

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That was the conclusion of the paint portion. For me it was supposed to be a reward from my employer for the trucks service to the company. Overall it was one of the most unpleasant experiences. Very much like a bad rollercoaster ride. It started of exciting and fun but took some turns and left me with an upset stomach and a lot of bad feelings.

I have accepted that it is what it is and I'm trying to move past it and look forward to the future.

On a side note. Some one decided to donate the first offical scratch. A week after I got it waxed.

So there ya go. It can no longer be perfect! Dangit!!!

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Here it is a year later. Replaced the original motorcraft battery and istalled a new interstate bettery, replaced the cracked thermostat housing, new thermostat and coolant. Used TC Black Fusion on my trim moldings. Had the exterior detailed with nanoskin auto scrub and hand applied Menzerna Polymer Sealant. So heres the results.

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Project Blue Magoo is up to date. Now I need to polish the scratches out of the glass, replace the headlight , side markers, fog light and tail light lenses and either remove the running boards of find new ones

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The circles area is the chip on dtiverside door that the paint shop blamed on me

This is little Australian

This was new when I got it back from the salon. Not sure if it's a clear coat defect or not but it doesnt wipe off.

This appeared after the salon. Everything was supposed to be done by hand so it shouldnt be bubbled clear coat but it looks like it...

And this is the first official scratch. Thanks.....

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Go ahead. Say it. I'm really REALLY picky. But after all the time the paint shop had it, all their promises, all the rental car fees I paid, time to drop it off and pick it back up repeatedly, and factor in I paid $8500. I asked for no discounts and stated that I'd prefer a really good paint job over a discount. So with everything not far from 10 grand. Truck or not that paint should be perfect. The most important part of paint is PREP!! washing with a degreaser and filtering out contaminated would have remedied anything from my interior detail and covering the interior to prevent dusting it out should have been a no brainer.

But I'll accept that I'm picky.

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She's a beauty!

I know how you loved your old red 99, but there is nothing like the 05-11 Ranger they are awesome!
Those are my favorite ranger wheels and the best color Ford blue!!
Glad the paint worked out for you, its not easy to find a good body shop that you can trust with your baby

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She's a beauty!

I know how you loved your old red 99, but there is nothing like the 05-11 Ranger they are awesome!
Those are my favorite ranger wheels and the best color Ford blue!!
Glad the paint worked out for you, its not easy to find a good body shop that you can trust with your baby
Was sorting pics this weekend and found one of the 99.

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I have paid body shops and had terrible results
So I started to do all my own bodywork
Needless to say I don't do paintjobs! If I did I would use enamel and no clear coat. Where we used to live, in the high mountains of Colorado with the super harsh UV rays eats clear coat in short order.
With all these vehicles we maintain around here washing, waxing detailing can take alot of my shop time. Since we use our trucks off road so much, for me it just made sense to skip the paint and go with a coating instead.
The monstaliner we use I am very happy with. Its not perfect, but paint is hardly ever perfect either. If you drive your vehicle the paint will get messed up, that is just how it goes! Now with the coatings I don't worry about any of the paint related issues anymore...it is pretty nice! Paint on a daily driven vehicle is just a real PITA!!!
I promised my wife when she paid off her FJ we would change the color. She has owned SEVERAL yellow vehicles in her life but when we went FJ shopping in 2007 that was the only FJ around. So when she paid it off I was happy to spend only $500 on the paint job. Of course it took me two weeks because its a stinkin FJ cruiser...but still only $500 to change the color! Usually this would be more like $15000 for a factory quality paint job.

I feel for ya, its your truck you can be as picky as you want. For me I think trying to keep a nice paint job is a bad idea...since we live back here in the woods off a 2 mile mud/dirt/snow/rock/tree covered trail of a driveway :). You will see when you bring your beautiful truck back here to my shop.

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Yep. I know itll get scratches. I'm use to having really nice muscle cars. Growing up my friend and neighbor would get a new toy and we'd spend months polishing it. From broncos, jeeps, banshees, and 1/4 midgets. By the time we finished you couldnt tell the aluminum from the chrome. Lol. He was always able to keep things mint and that's probably where I got the bug.

Transitioning to off road has been a bit of a learning curve for me. I'm trying to keep it nice but practical. My normal response would be to get those defects and scratches fixed right away but I've fought the urge. I desire that V8 more.

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I have done the show and shine thing for years...I washed my BII so much when I was younger.... I am pretty sure that's why I have rust in some of the spots I do, too much power washing!
My buddy has a 1984 Porsche convertible in black, we have been building for some years. He drives it everyday. You want to talk about an expensive paint job? Try 25K!!!
Still it gets chipped, scratched, swirls, etc...nothing that can be done if you want to drive it 3x a week...I keep telling him Monstaliner the Porsche! LOL

My wife came from the muscle car background too and her mother (my mom in law) has owned and operated a detail shop for 30+ years.....so we know how to show and shine Im always learning great ways to revive and care for paint

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I have done the show and shine thing for years...I washed my BII so much when I was younger.... I am pretty sure that's why I have rust in some of the spots I do, too much power washing!
My buddy has a 1984 Porsche convertible in black, we have been building for some years. He drives it everyday. You want to talk about an expensive paint job? Try 25K!!!
Still it gets chipped, scratched, swirls, etc...nothing that can be done if you want to drive it 3x a week...I keep telling him Monstaliner the Porsche! LOL

My wife came from the muscle car background too and her mother (my mom in law) has owned and operated a detail shop for 30+ years.....so we know how to show and shine Im always learning great ways to revive and care for paint
I noticed you have a heavy duty looking surface coating on the bronco II or is that pitted rust painted over? It looks rugged, what is it?

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Monstaliner by magnet paints
Its a roll on epoxy coating
I have done several trucks in this and plan to do more

https://www.monstaliner.com/forms/monstaliner_colors.htm

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410customs wrote:
Monstaliner by magnet paints
Its a roll on epoxy coating
I have done several trucks in this and plan to do more

https://www.monstaliner.com/forms/monstaliner_colors.htm
Glad it wasnt painted over rust. it looks tough.
Here what we were talking about incase anyone is confused.

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NO I did not paint over rust LOL
To Monstaliner a vehicle properly takes ALOT of prep...not as much as a paint job, but still alot of prep.

It was fun taking a sander to my wifes FJ stock paint... that yellow was still in great shape :)

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