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Ram Dealer Adds $50,000 Markup to 2021 TRX “Launch Edition”


- https://www.fourwheeler.com/news/2021-ram-1500-trx-launch-edition-dealer-markup/?wc_mid=4035:20843&wc_rid=4035:29719315&_wcsid=257B7F12DBE3DED44F326B305BDD961CF7E1AF3C9B124725

You thought you had a story? This just came out in 4WD Magazine as if to normalize it to the pay to play crowd.


Automotive sales is a unusual and messed up business. Forget all about sales.. that is a Jerry Springer show all of it's own.

So here is where it starts. --  Cox Enterprises, Inc 

Two Prominent names should stand out:

  • J. Leonard Reinsch - was a broadcasting executive who became president and CEO of COX Communications. He advised four US Presidents. He assisted the White House Press Secretary office in 1945, during the transition from President Franklin D. Roosevelt to President Harry Truman, and advised Winston Churchill on his 1946 "Iron Curtain" speech. [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Blank][/url]
  • Arthur Blank - (born September 27, 1942) is an American businessman and a co-founder of the home improvement retailer The Home Depot.  He also currently owns two professional sports teams based in Atlanta, Georgia - the Atlanta Falcons of the National Football League (NFL) and Atlanta United of Major League Soccer (MLS), the latter of which having won the 2018 MLS Cup, thus giving him an MLS Cup Championship to his credit.

History, banking, and economics.. you think they'd all be in sync, and they are.. just not the way most think.  Arthur above.. nearly everything he owns is Sports related. Every Sports league, NFL, MBA, NHL, NBA, MLB.. they're all NON-Profits. Sounds like a charity right?  Wrong..  A non profit ONLY differs financially in the income column by one thing - on Dec 31 each year every penny in the account, which mind you all of those leagues make BILLIONS of dollars, but every penny is paid out to all the board members and shareholders. NOTHING carries into the new year. But I digress... Think about that the next time you hear someone talking about a NON-Profit as if its a charity event or dutiful thing your doing.


Here's why it should matter to you.  Cox Enterprises, Inc owns:

Dent Wizard
Manheim Auto Auctions
Dealer Trader
AutoTrader
Akinvest Inc
ExportTrader
CarFax
Kudzu
Kelly Blue Book
Cox Media Group
Cox Broadcasting
Cox Radio
Cox Newspaper
Cox Communications


Here's a brief history lesson that ties into this.  In the earliest of 1900's They found that owning just 21 of the largest newspapers in that day they could manipulate and control what, where, and who people liked or didnt like. Who they voted for, who they banked with, where and who they bought insurance and homes? What universities you paid to send your posterity too, What cities people saw best to move to location for other schools or the way people thought.. etc..  And it worked.

Radio came along, used the same tactics, Television, Cable TV, Satelite TV / Radio, Streaming services... Heck, Facebook & Instagram / TikTok / Snap-chat.. You think those services are free because someone thought we needed that in our lives?  Nope!  
You and I are the commodities for that. Why you think the meta data and all the privacy stuff is such a big deal along with the fight over the control of the internet? Because to sell it to everyone. read the 39 pages of IG TOS everyone just blindly clicks [ I Accept].. None of your own pics are even yours anymore if you share them on there platform.

Cox Enterprises, Inc Owns everything that regulates the Used car market including availability, market value, cost of ownership, mechanics wages, dealership inventories, marketing and advertising, market interest, banking & financing, import/exporting, what times of the day/night you see ads or IF you see someones ad.

Then you add in 145 auctions in N. America, Europe, Asia, Australian markets.. Every dealer uses Dealer Trader in some capacity, Auto-Trader, KBB, CarFax as almost all customers judge and base things off of each of those guidelines; Carfax, KBB, AutoTrader..

Who do you think controls pricing of cars, which lends to indexing of what markets will pay for new cars.. You think it's really the Auto manufactures themselves controlling the pricing or industry?  Not saying there's any anti-trust laws being forsaken here but I'll tell you what.  I know Monopoly isn't just a game invented by Hasbro

Just let enough of that marinate in your gray matter as you research those dots to connect.  And we havent even got to the dealer groups yet. lol

The Automotive Used/New sales Industry is putting people together like 3-pc puzzles..

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If I was going to spend that much for a truck I would certainly get the Rivian being you won't be able to buy gasoline in 10 years.

That dodge gets the fuel mileage of a 2000 Ranger!

Did not know Cox was that big, KBB, auto trader and carfax surprised me.

There's a Manheim Auto Auctions right up the street from me!



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Suggested retail is too rich for me and then they add a $50k premium? Big NOPE.

Back when the supercharged Lightening was being offered the dealers in GA had a $10-$15k premium on them here in GA. I have a friend who got a 2002 Lightening from a dealership in Mississippi for $1000 more than retail. That is a stupid quick truck.



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Sports franchises are not non-profits.  The NFL, the parent organization was, but they gave it up in I think it was 2015.  I did not research NFL, NBA, but I am positive it is the same.

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Actually they're still a Non-profit but..


In 2015 the NFL gave up the tax-exempt status it had held since 1947 in response to mounting criticism for its quickly growing revenue. The league now exists as a trade association made up of and financed by its 32 member teams.


So seems since 1947 seems the NFL, likely others mentioned have enjoyed the same benefits as any Church; the league was an unincorporated nonprofit 501(c)(6) association up until 2015.  Wow. I wonder how much money that was?!



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I would agree. However, at the same time the way the Automotive sales industry is handled here in the States, most consumers are completely under the guise that the way they've been buying a car, led again by "Professionals" in the industry, truly believe that they're in compliance with the process and how or at least in how it works. 

Most people when it comes to finances of loans and real banking. Well, lets just say far less really understand it.  There are people completely fooled by the fact that they think their credit score is the sole reason besides willingness and ability to make a payment is what it is.

The problem we have, not that I agree with it because I'm of older raising myself.  The way the economy really works is based purely on debt.  The more money saved, the more that stagnates the actual economy. That's NOT what we want to hear or be told but its the reality.  The less people spend, the less the money shared goes around crating all sorts of small wonders of debt but, I would likely get some people severely confused or upset picking apart their paradigms. 

All in all tho, with all the conversation between banks, gov, wall street, business about the economics, I think we're all going to feel quite different soon about what we all thought.



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If you have 50 bucks and decide to spend 10 that is your choice. If you have 500,000 and decide to spend 100,000 that is your choice.

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@Understm8ed: You mentioned credit scores.  This is the magic number that enables you to have the ability to purchase that stupidly overpriced piece of tin and plastic (mostly plastic).  This number influences the lending institutions decision on whether to loan you that money or not.  The unfair part of this ridiculous system is that in order to have a good score, you can't use your credit.  Example: Let's say I have a score of 790.  I decide I want to buy a vehicle, or add a room onto my house.  I go to my lending institution of choice and apply for a loan.  First thing they do is pull my credit report (called a hard pull or hard inquiry), which lowers my score to 675.  Let's say that the offer of credit isn't acceptable (interest rate is higher than I want to pay), so I don't buy that car or build that room.  I don't get those FICO points back, even though I didn't actually borrow the money.  Complete BS, in my opinion.  Another example is credit card usage.  If I make a major purchase on one of my credit cards, that can tank my FICO score also.  If I purchase a $3000 item using a card with a $6000 limit, that is over the 30% threshold of that card and even though I have 7 credit cards with over $40,000 in combined available credit, the fact that I used half of the limit on ONE card will bust my score.  Completely asinine.

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I almost purchased a Toyota a few weeks back, maybe that is months.
I agreed on a price, thought the price wasn't bad, taxes and all Fees, then out of no where Wham-Bam, I get handed the sale receipt and it is 7K more than we talk about.
This Salesman didn't care one little bit, he said it is was a premium for this vehicle, all Toyota Dealers had this add-on... then he added this vehicle is a priority vehicle, everyone want to buy it.
I laughed, all the way to the door, I'm still driving the Ranger and will be fore a long time to come... unless I hit the Mag Bucks !



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Yeah, I don't trust car salesmen or the stealerships they work for... for reasons just like that.



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Toy's develop frame rot. They do not do ample rust proofing on their frames. I preemptively sold a 2000 Tundra 4x4 X-cab V8 as it had frame rot and a car engine in a truck.



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I'm just not sold on Toyotas.  Period.  I view them as commodity vehicles with no actual inspiration in the design.  Just a tool.  If I'm going to drive something, I have to like the looks of it and it has to have character.  I guess that is why I drive a Ranger! :-)



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Toy's develop frame rot. They do not do ample rust proofing on their frames. I preemptively sold a 2000 Tundra 4x4 X-cab V8 as it had frame rot and a car engine in a truck.

A recent TSB on some vehicles, notably 4Runner, Tacoma, and some Tundra's.

the most recent and actual recall was due to a process skipped at Delphi that somehow got cross logged.  No one wants to discuss it much but I happen to know a few people in Toyota who for the sake of friendly conversation over a good coffee... well, you know.

Sadly it's caused a lot of grief for both companies, maybe even some slanted relationships.  I do know Toyota was doing a major recall on affected units, as well as demanding the old frames be returned back to Toyota for some evaluations, processing, proof (?).

But..,

They're ONLY replacing the frames. There are multiple other parts/items required to be swapped out like fuel & brake components, and others  needed in order to do the frame swaps. Costs can be upwards of $5k+ and that falls on the customer from my understanding from a service 17+ yr veteran advisor I know at Toyota.  Unclear if that is an insurable covered cost factor or the car is a total loss.  I know a few people that had the issue, and have and haven't had the procedure done.

The level of rot can easily vary by how a customer treats a vehicle.  There are some frames under the recall that barely had surface rust on the affected frame where others had far premature penetration in some spots and both being in the salty-snow belts.  My 91' 4Runner, SoCal vehicle has nearly zero rust on anything under the chassis.

i.g. - this older truck body as old as it is body is in premium shape, moderate rusted frame Toyota paid for the new frame which is in the latter 3 photos.  This vehicle was given a new life and the young man that owned it had picked up a 2JZ from a source in Japan for it to build a drift/race truck from my understanding. It's been a year or so since I've spoken to him, not sure where he is at in it.














Like anything on the internet, you'll see more misery or bad press than good press.  Toyota still ranks in the highest value for reliability and least amount of service lane attendance than most brands. I know no one likes to talk about that but the facts exist.  Although a recall isn't alway bad news, it's just the company following up on a better component for customer retention as well as safety, GM having the highest amount of recalls in general, they just had another 5.9M vehicles recalled thanks to another supplier blunder, Takata airbags which actually involved 25 deaths. - https://www.allenandallen.com/general-motors-recalls-a-full-list-of-recalled-vehicles/

GM leading the pack, this informative and interactive box is fun fact loaded. - https://time.com/45235/gm-recall-model-interactive/

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I'm just not sold on Toyotas.  Period.  I view them as commodity vehicles with no actual inspiration in the design.  Just a tool.  If I'm going to drive something, I have to like the looks of it and it has to have character.  I guess that is why I drive a Ranger! :-)
Honestly, Fiat to Bugatti they all have problems and the first one is usually the owner. If the owner doesn't take care of it, or well, there ya go.



I've had a litany of vehicles over the years, currently have 3 Toyota's - '91 4Runner, 2020 Tacoma 4x, a leased 2020 RAV4 hybrid AWD, 2 Ford Ranger's 3rd Gens '94/'93.

Regionally all vehicle brands get to claim vehicular supremacy - Me Too'ism. 

Living in Detroit, always mustangs, Camaros, F-series, K-cars, Town&country, Grand prix's, Escorts then Focus's..

In SoCal tons of imports, Honda, Toyota, Lexus, Nissan's Ford trucks, Chevy trucks, Dodge trucks because everyone seems to have a business of their own or need a fullsized truck.

Nevada, specifically Vegas here. Chargers, Camaros, Nissan 350z, Mustangs, Tacoma's, Dodge Rams, Xterra's (count them -47 Yellow ones alone, NOT kidding), Jeep, Jeep, Jeep, challengers, Fseries, GM 2500+ HD, a small clique of super/exotic cars, Jeep, Jeep, did I mention Jeeps?


I personally am similar, I buy a vehicle on what I can do with it and how much fun I can have.. I guess that could be summed up as "Character" With exception of the RAV4, that just nets me 42/44+MPG



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I'm just not sold on Toyotas.  Period.  I view them as commodity vehicles with no actual inspiration in the design.  Just a tool.  If I'm going to drive something, I have to like the looks of it and it has to have character.  I guess that is why I drive a Ranger! :-)
Honestly, Fiat to Bugatti they all have problems and the first one is usually the owner. If the owner doesn't take care of it, or well, there ya go.



I've had a litany of vehicles over the years, currently have 3 Toyota's - '91 4Runner, 2020 Tacoma 4x, a leased 2020 RAV4 hybrid AWD, 2 Ford Ranger's 3rd Gens '94/'93.

Regionally all vehicle brands get to claim vehicular supremacy - Me Too'ism. 

Living in Detroit, always mustangs, Camaros, F-series, K-cars, Town&country, Grand prix's, Escorts then Focus's..

In SoCal tons of imports, Honda, Toyota, Lexus, Nissan's Ford trucks, Chevy trucks, Dodge trucks because everyone seems to have a business of their own or need a fullsized truck.

Nevada, specifically Vegas here. Chargers, Camaros, Nissan 350z, Mustangs, Tacoma's, Dodge Rams, Xterra's (count them -47 Yellow ones alone, NOT kidding), Jeep, Jeep, Jeep, challengers, Fseries, GM 2500+ HD, a small clique of super/exotic cars, Jeep, Jeep, did I mention Jeeps?


I personally am similar, I buy a vehicle on what I can do with it and how much fun I can have.. I guess that could be summed up as "Character" With exception of the RAV4, that just nets me 42/44+MPG

Just to be clear, I didn't say that Toyota didn't make good cars, actually, they are quite reliable based on the people I know that own them.  They just aren't my "cup of tea".  I too, have owned every "American" badge vehicle from 1950's to present models.  Over the years, I have become a Ford guy, because I do my own repair and maintenance and I find Ford vehicles to be easier for me to work on.  That may be, in part, to my earlier exposure working at Ford dealerships both as a mechanic and as a parts department manager.  :-)



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I'm just not sold on Toyotas.  Period.  I view them as commodity vehicles with no actual inspiration in the design.  Just a tool.  If I'm going to drive something, I have to like the looks of it and it has to have character.  I guess that is why I drive a Ranger! :-)
Honestly, Fiat to Bugatti they all have problems and the first one is usually the owner. If the owner doesn't take care of it, or well, there ya go.



I've had a litany of vehicles over the years, currently have 3 Toyota's - '91 4Runner, 2020 Tacoma 4x, a leased 2020 RAV4 hybrid AWD, 2 Ford Ranger's 3rd Gens '94/'93.

Regionally all vehicle brands get to claim vehicular supremacy - Me Too'ism. 

Living in Detroit, always mustangs, Camaros, F-series, K-cars, Town&country, Grand prix's, Escorts then Focus's..

In SoCal tons of imports, Honda, Toyota, Lexus, Nissan's Ford trucks, Chevy trucks, Dodge trucks because everyone seems to have a business of their own or need a fullsized truck.

Nevada, specifically Vegas here. Chargers, Camaros, Nissan 350z, Mustangs, Tacoma's, Dodge Rams, Xterra's (count them -47 Yellow ones alone, NOT kidding), Jeep, Jeep, Jeep, challengers, Fseries, GM 2500+ HD, a small clique of super/exotic cars, Jeep, Jeep, did I mention Jeeps?


I personally am similar, I buy a vehicle on what I can do with it and how much fun I can have.. I guess that could be summed up as "Character" With exception of the RAV4, that just nets me 42/44+MPG

Just to be clear, I didn't say that Toyota didn't make good cars, actually, they are quite reliable based on the people I know that own them.  They just aren't my "cup of tea".  I too, have owned every "American" badge vehicle from 1950's to present models.  Over the years, I have become a Ford guy, because I do my own repair and maintenance and I find Ford vehicles to be easier for me to work on.  That may be, in part, to my earlier exposure working at Ford dealerships both as a mechanic and as a parts department manager.  :-)

Shy of a few Ford engineers over the years I'd like strangle while shouting why?!  I would agree with that statement.  They seemed more consistent and easier to work on to me as well. And so far... I havent seen anyone touting an LS swapped Ranger on here yet. lol



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Shy of a few Ford engineers over the years I'd like strangle while shouting why?!  I would agree with that statement.  They seemed more consistent and easier to work on to me as well. And so far... I havent seen anyone touting an LS swapped Ranger on here yet. lol
Uh oh!  You just opened Pandora's box!  Now SOMEBODY will do that just to be different!  LOL



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98% of all ranger prerunners are LS swapped...



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What, exactly, is a prerunner? *sound stupid about now*



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mhoward wrote:
What, exactly, is a prerunner? *sound stupid about now*
http://assets.trucktrend.com/uploads/sites/2/2020/03/001-what-is-a-prerunner-truck.jpg?width=660&height=495

Long travel suspension, big tires, that kind of thing.  I guess technically it means the vehicle they run the course in before they run the actual race vehicle.  In my mind, just kind of a screw around on dunes kind of jump truck

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So, this vehicle doesn't actually compete in the race?  That's just odd...



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Yeah, it seems odd to me too.  Personally I think most of them are not used for that, but are just people out screwing around having fun on sand dunes and what not.

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Most of the prerunner ranger projects I see are 2WD. Actually all of them so far. I have no idea the origin or meaning of the name.



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Well, glad I'm not the only one that thinks "prerunner" is a dumb concept!



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mhoward wrote:
Well, glad I'm not the only one that thinks "prerunner" is a dumb concept!
Yeah, it just never made sense to me, but I guess some like it!

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