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I know this has probably been posted a lot on many forums which I've searched through but never found a good description of the job. I'm wanting to add factory fog lights to my 98 2.5 Ranger XLT. I remember asking on another forum and was told that the harnesses should be there by the headlights, and the switch plug should be behind the radio. But I don't have it, I believe if you got the 3.0 it may have had it. Plus I don't see any pins where the fog light relay would plug into. So basically it appears that I would need to get every wire associated with the fog light system from another 98 Ranger that has them to get them to work on mine. Is this doable? Are the fog lights tied into the GEM module? I like the factory look and don't really want some tacky aftermarket add on ones that look like they shouldn't be there. Ultimately I'm wanting to consider it because it helps with lighting around the wooded backroads here where I live. I have a 1999 Dodge Dakota R/T that has factory fog lights and I was amazed at how much difference it helped with lighting at night. But they do shut off when you turn the brights on. Do they do that on the Rangers too even though it seems to have a separate switch?

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I know this has probably been posted a lot on many forums which I've searched through but never found a good description of the job. I'm wanting to add factory fog lights to my 98 2.5 Ranger XLT. I remember asking on another forum and was told that the harnesses should be there by the headlights, and the switch plug should be behind the radio. But I don't have it, I believe if you got the 3.0 it may have had it. Plus I don't see any pins where the fog light relay would plug into. So basically it appears that I would need to get every wire associated with the fog light system from another 98 Ranger that has them to get them to work on mine. Is this doable? Are the fog lights tied into the GEM module? I like the factory look and don't really want some tacky aftermarket add on ones that look like they shouldn't be there. Ultimately I'm wanting to consider it because it helps with lighting around the wooded backroads here where I live. I have a 1999 Dodge Dakota R/T that has factory fog lights and I was amazed at how much difference it helped with lighting at night. But they do shut off when you turn the brights on. Do they do that on the Rangers too even though it seems to have a separate switch?
First, I don't know !
Next, if the wiring is there it should be a matter of getting a Radio Bezel with the Fog Light Switch and the correct go Lights from a few aftermarket Suppliers and do the wiring.

If you want just the Exterior look and not worried about the Interior Switch look then buy a set of the correct Fog Lights, from maybe LMC, mount them and get the valance, mount that, mount the aftermarket switch and do the wiring.

There are wiring How-Tos that can be applied to Fog Lights or any aftermarket Lighting so go for it, just take you time and do it right the first time.

One thing... if your truck is not wired from the factory for Fogs, then you will need to add in your own Harness anyway, start with the idea of the home-Made Harness and you will come out ahead. Ford uses a different method of switching there Fog Lights, one thing is they us a negative switching system on a lot of there light so you need to watch that and double check every wire ahead of time OR use an aftermarket or Home-Made Harness... with Relay and Fusing per How-To's.

Last but not least, Buggman used to make a Harness that change over the OEM Switch to work with an aftermarket Lighting, you may want to contact him and see if he still makes the harness, that is IF you want to run the OEM Switches.

On my "03 Ranger, I will be using all aftermarket switches and my own harnessing because I don't like Factory Harnesses and Ford's ideas on wiring. I will be mounting in two places, one - converting the Cubby Hole under the Radio/Heater Controls to a switch box and adding four of five switches there and two - built in on the overhead console inlace of the display. There are plenty of places to add switches to the interior but that is your call.

Remember, LED Fogs usually draw far less current than incandescent Bulbs (OEM Style) so make sure to size your component accordingly. Once wired for higher current bulbs, you can always switch to LEDs and less current but you can't go the other way.

Post some pics of the Radio Bezel ?

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I looked today just to double check and I don't have any pins in the fuse box for the fog light relay or fuse. So I'm going to need all associated wiring. I have a full factory workshop manual for the 98 Ranger but since it's an older 16-bit application I can no longer even use it on my desktop. I bought the factory workshop cd manual off of Rockauto and or course it doesn't include the PCED or electrical diagrams. I also had another one on pdf that I bought from ebay a few years ago that included everything but of course it won't open anymore saying it's been damaged. So I have no wiring diagram to go by to see what I need or to understand how it's hooked up. I'd like to use the factory radio bezel with the factory switch, just everything the way it should work. I'm not even sure I'll be able to find the wiring. I'm not sure even what years I could pull wiring from. I know at least the 2.5 engine in my 98 was from 98-01. So I'm guessing those would work. It's not often to find a Ranger with fog lights in the salvage yards around here. I see the fog light bulb harnesses are still available for both sides from Ford but I don't know how much of the wiring it is or if it is literally the connectors only.

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I know this has probably been posted a lot on many forums which I've searched through but never found a good description of the job. I'm wanting to add factory fog lights to my 98 2.5 Ranger XLT. I remember asking on another forum and was told that the harnesses should be there by the headlights, and the switch plug should be behind the radio. But I don't have it, I believe if you got the 3.0 it may have had it. Plus I don't see any pins where the fog light relay would plug into. So basically it appears that I would need to get every wire associated with the fog light system from another 98 Ranger that has them to get them to work on mine. Is this doable? Are the fog lights tied into the GEM module? I like the factory look and don't really want some tacky aftermarket add on ones that look like they shouldn't be there. Ultimately I'm wanting to consider it because it helps with lighting around the wooded backroads here where I live. I have a 1999 Dodge Dakota R/T that has factory fog lights and I was amazed at how much difference it helped with lighting at night. But they do shut off when you turn the brights on. Do they do that on the Rangers too even though it seems to have a separate switch?
Problem is there are very few Ford Vehicles that after 91' still offer factory wiring for after thought OEM upgrades. i.e. 86' Ford Escort with no fog light option shared similar harnesses, you could literally go pick up a set of the Marcell Fogs, an OEM switch, and all of the wiring was there. Since 91.. Ford started whittling out options if the intended vehicle wasn't going to have the option.. it was omitted from the build sheet of the harness. Back in 95, i worked on the prototype electrical portion of the 98 Ranger/Explorer program. I'd bet you the wiring isnt there. not even in sub harness form, it cost too much over the hundreds of thousands of harness. Anyway.., unless you are a Die-Hard stock Nazi and want to be limited to the stock options as far as lumens, power, beam patterns, or you just cant get over not having the stock aesthetics.

"Fog lights" really give you a minimal amount of light forward if mounted in the sense of factory positioning of the valance they're mounted in although you will get quite a bit better of a "cornering light" effect and a wider pattern within the first 15-20 ft of the truck but your long distance options dwindle excruciatingly quick. If its animals or just general distance you're really wanting. You could do the OEM fog lights and use them as an actual amber foglight if you would need it in your area, if not the clear lights will still give you a bit more down front.

Your bumper still has a nice spot for a 12" - 20" SR series spot/flood combo type light tucked in there well enough JUST for that deep spot affect when you want it. With a bit of work and patience, you could add a 2nd OEM switch for that light in the bezel too for such a mod and keep as much as the intended stock aesthetics inside at least so it doesn't look like the dash work was hacked. Have a bit of both worlds and cover ALL the bases.

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just grab one of my oem fog conversion kits & a fog switch radio bezel.
if your truck isn't pre-wired, you can bypass all the factory wiring with my kits. simple install & will work with pretty much any 12v light, led or other accessory you want to control from an oem fog switch.

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just grab one of my oem fog conversion kits & a fog switch radio bezel.
if your truck isn't pre-wired, you can bypass all the factory wiring with my kits. simple install & will work with pretty much any 12v light, led or other accessory you want to control from an oem fog switch.
X2. I purchased one of buggman's aux lighting wiring kits w/the factory switch & it works great & looks factory with the switch. When I had a 96 Ranger 4x4 I added fog lights & all the wiring was there I just had to purchase the lights, switch, & the radio bezel with the opening for the fog light switch. The plug to the fog light switch was clipped to the back of the old radio bezel.

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I know mine isn't pre-wired. I've even got a 1998 Ford Ranger dealer sales brochure and it said fog lights were only available with V6 models. Can you use the wiring kit with the aftermarket oem replacement fog lights and standard bulbs? Does it have all the wiring required to complete the job? Where do I get the kit? How big of a deal is it to install? I am going for a totally stock appearance too.

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Kits are dependent on what you buy.
If you spend extra money you get more parts... some come with Harness, some don't !

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What does your Radio Bezel look like, does it have the Fog lights Switch ?
Do you have the OEM Fog Lights ?
Do you want both of the above OEM Parts in your truck, can you do without one ?

Depending on what you have for parts and what you WANT installed, each method will be different, so YOU need to decide what you want first then determine what you need, and then wire them up and Turn on the Lights !

I think once you decide what you want there is enough talent on this Site to help you wire them up !

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I already know I want the original fog lamp assemblies either used or new aftermarket. So a front fascia with fog lamp holes. I have found an oem radio bezel with only the fog light switch mount, lighter, and 12v power socket. Then I will get an oem fog light switch new. So if there is a wiring kit already available then that's all I would need. It doesn't appear any of the actual parts are incredibly difficult to get so I'll order them once I know if there is a pre-made harness like posted here.

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A consideration for new..

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More than likely it will be new because there isn't many Rangers in the salvage yards with fog lights and they're not too expensive. Just got to know where to get the wiring adapter kit since I don't have any of the factory wiring.

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Where do I go to purchase buggman's kit?

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Using the Buggman's Harness, with OEM Switch, and OEM Fog Light, is a good choice then all you need is some wire to hook up the Lights.

When using the Buggman's harness you should run a wire from the battery to the relay and then to the Lights that is larger by one or two gauge sizes, it will help later on if you go to high powered bulbs and the wire is already in place. Also, because of corrosion on the frame and mounting points it would be better for the Bulbs and the light output, if you ran a separate ground wire from the lights to the battery, the same gauge as the power wire this should eliminate any ground problems.

IF you have too many wires coming back to the battery, either Positive or Negative, you can get one of The Buggman's Terminals, or two, that take up to 14 wire connections... OR get an insulated Studs, one red and one black, the studs can be connected to the battery. Don't for get a Cover for the Positive Stud to stop showing the stud to ground.

When you get to the wiring, post up and someone can help you get the best and clearest wiring job.

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What about this one on Ebay? https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Ranger-Fog-Light-Wiring-Harness-1998-1999-2000/160492872240?hash=item255e1ee230:g:YPwAAOxyA4ZRSaUT&vxp=mtr Is it like this? How did Ford tap into the battery without it actually bolting to the battery cable? Oh yeah is there any brackets that the actual fog light assemblies bolt to that I need on the oem fascia? My Dakota actually screws into the fiberglass fascia with speed nuts.

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wh23g3g wrote:
What about this one on Ebay? https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Ranger-Fog-Light-Wiring-Harness-1998-1999-2000/160492872240?hash=item255e1ee230:g:YPwAAOxyA4ZRSaUT&vxp=mtr Is it like this? How did Ford tap into the battery without it actually bolting to the battery cable? Oh yeah is there any brackets that the actual fog light assemblies bolt to that I need on the oem fascia? My Dakota actually screws into the fiberglass fascia with speed nuts.
First the e-Bay Cable - I didnt see any install Instructions, so I can't say if it will work with a Ford OEM Fog Switch, but they reference the fact that it by passes the Fog Light Over-Ride, so I am thinking it is more of a direct wiring job.

I believe The Buggman's Harness is similar, PM him, get some pictures, ask to get a picture of the Harness stretched out !
Also ask for some instructions.
Buggman is easy to get along with, I have a feeling he will help you out and be there if something happens, and replace any harness that causes problems.
Again get in touch through PM or on FaceBook.

Ford connects to the Battery through the main relay panel in the Engine Bay. The wiring, IMHO, get lost in all the relays and switches, etc. ! That is why I suggested a separate harness, it will be a direct wire job not trying to locate wiring inside of the vehicle. The one you picked MIGHT be more direct but without instructions I can't tell one way or the other. The OEM Switch, if still connected in some way to the Truck's wiring, may bring in the power, but may not. You may need to connect a wire to the positive side of the battery that will bing power to the relay in the harness. AND there is no separate ground wire to the battery... !

One big problem with After-Market Harnesses... they do not know what amount of amperage will be require by your lights, what size bulb you may have changed out from the OEM Lights. Doesn't sound like much of a problem but if your lights can't get the necessary current they need the lights will burn with less light, disappointing, and burn up earlier because when the lights are trying to pull the needed current through the too small wire then they heat up and burn out... !

When you PM Buggman, ask all of your questions, he is selling the Harness so I believe he will know the answers and understand you situation.

I can't answer anymore completely, other than yes to the brackets... and that's not what you need. Find a site like LMC, get the exploded views and see what you have and what you don't; that's about the only way I would do it too !

If you are like me, I like a more direct route to wiring, I run all after-market switches and my own wiring and components. Then I know all of the Wire Lugs are crimped and the size of the wire, the fuses, and the relay(s), are all the best size for the amperage in the circuit + a safety factor. I build all of my harnesses because I like things run tight, except for working loops (strain relief) by each component. Also, I like the ground wires to run back to the battery area, either to the battery's negative terminal or to a ground Stud or Panel that is connected to the battery.

As I have said before grounds will be the main problem in any mobile Circuit, rust and corrosion, rubber mounts, bad bolts, all add up to bad ground paths.

Good Luck on your project, take your time, make sure things are done right the first time.

One more thing, to sum it up. Talk to The Buggman before going any further.

Sorry to run off at the mouth !

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i took a quick look at the ebay kit, it has the oem light connectors but it's not for oem fog switches, rather it's just a generic fog switch kit (certainly not worth $75+sh.

my kits are $25 +sh for the basic kit or $40+sh for deluxe kit (includes an oem switch)

i use oem fog switches & connectors but i don't have the oem fog light connectors (h11 or whatever the connector # is). my kits will work with prety much any light, led, fan, etc.
once you know the # of the bulb connector your lights have, just jump on ebay & search for (bulb #) connector extension & you can easily plug that into your lights connectors & tie into my kit very easily.

my kits all come with my detailed instructions & i'm always glad to help if you get stuck.

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wh23g3g,

Sounds like it should work with the components you want to use, i.e. OEM Switch and Lights.

You have Buggman and the Forum to help you out if anything pops up.

Jump in, get it done ! You'll be happy you did !

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I plan on using the TYC fog light assemblies from Rockauto. I have a factory 1998 Ford Ranger service guide but it's not clear at what's involved in actually mounting the fog light assemblies. Are the fog light assemblies like the ones pictured along with the fog light fascia all I need or is there other hardware to get them mounted? I also would like to know if the fog light fascia snaps on like the non-fog light fascia. Will it fit on the regular XLT chrome bumper? I have a new oem style aftermarket chrome bumper I installed a year ago on and my original non-fog lamp fascia is all weathered anyway. Does anyone have the fog light wiring hooked up with underhood pictures. I really didn't want random wires all over the engine compartment so I wanting to see how it looks wired up. Even though there's 380,000 miles on it I try to keep it clean. https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/ford,1998,ranger,2.5l+l4,1315103,body,fog+/+driving+lamp+assembly,803

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I can not help you on what you need to mount the lights, I have never been under a '98 and have no idea.

Call one of the new parts distributors, like LMC, ask them about installing the valance with Fog Lights, they may have a kit that is not posted in their catalog.
I checked out the LMC site without success, no blow-out of parts which is funny.
Another thought would be go to your local Ford Dealer and see if you can look at their older parts books, make a lit of the parts and buy them through RockAuot or other distributor.

After tha tits all wiring and since you will be using a harness like The Buggman's, the wiring shouldn't be too bad, more parts than anything else.

Sorry I can't help you with the parts for the Fog Light Mounting, someone should cut in with a list.

ANYONE, is there a blow-out on the parts needed to mount the Valance and Fog Lights to a 1998 Ford Ranger, maybe a screen dump, or a PDF... thanks !

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I took a look at LMC truck and it shows pretty much what I've come across. The fog light assemblies I ordered have some kind of built in bracket rather than just the lens. But I just got the 98 Fog Light Plastic bumper fascia today and I can't see anywhere or anyway that the fog lights would mount to the fascia directly. I know they can't mount to the bumper itself. The factory shop manual was no help. I can go look at the salvage yards tomorrow but of the 98 or 99's they have I doubt there will be a fog light Ranger there. Anyone here with a 98 with fog lights know how they mount? I will stop by the dealer and see if they have a better illustration than the online catalog. Usually my local Ford dealer won't help because they say the truck is too old and they don't have parts for it anymore. I want to make sure I've got everything.

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I took a look at LMC truck and it shows pretty much what I've come across. The fog light assemblies I ordered have some kind of built in bracket rather than just the lens. But I just got the 98 Fog Light Plastic bumper fascia today and I can't see anywhere or anyway that the fog lights would mount to the fascia directly. I know they can't mount to the bumper itself. The factory shop manual was no help. I can go look at the salvage yards tomorrow but of the 98 or 99's they have I doubt there will be a fog light Ranger there. Anyone here with a 98 with fog lights know how they mount? I will stop by the dealer and see if they have a better illustration than the online catalog. Usually my local Ford dealer won't help because they say the truck is too old and they don't have parts for it anymore. I want to make sure I've got everything.
What does your handle stand for, "wh23g3g" ?

Too bad on the part blow out, I thought for sure LMC would have what you needed in a diagram.

I looked around some without success either.
It seems funny that IF the Fog Light comes with Mounting Brackets, that the "98 Fog Light Plastic Bumper Fascia" doesn't have the mounting points.

All I can say right now is that my '99, had better Fog Lights than my '03 had, the Wife used them too and alway mentioned how well they worked.

I will post anything I find of value when I search.

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Added: Please post pictures of the rear of the Valance with any mounting points in it.

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My username is part of my VIN for my 1973 Dodge Charger. On my Dodge Dakota R/T it was missing a fog light when I bought the truck and the valance was cracked. So when I bought a new valance and new fog light it has bosses made into the valance that the fog light slid onto that u-nuts on them and then the fog light screwed into them. It was fairly easy. I don't see anything like that on this Ranger valance. In workshop manual it shows that the fog lights are held in with 2 screws. Where they go I have no idea. I won't have the fog lights until probably the weekend. I took a picture of the back of the new Ranger valance as you hopefully see there is nothing to mount to on the fog light area. In fact the only screw points on the whole thing is for the metal support brackets on both sides of the valance. I'm about to ride down to my Ford dealer to see if they have any illustration on how the lights mount. However, they usually don't like to help unless you're spending hundreds of dollars on a part.

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