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You can read the full text here. The short version is that Pai's order takes the Net Neutrality rules off the books and abandons the court-approved Title II legal framework that served as the basis for the successful 2015 Open Internet Order.
The FCC is scheduled to vote on this dangerous proposal at its meeting on Dec. 14.
Pai's draft is a lot of things: thin on substance and reasoning, cruel, willfully naive — and it's everything that ISPs like AT&T, Comcast and Verizon could have wanted (and more). But what it's not is sensible or grounded in reality. It will take away every safeguard we need to protect the open internet we've always had, giving ISPs the power to kill off their competition, choke innovation, charge more for different kinds of content, suppress political dissent, and marginalize the voices of racial-justice advocates and others organizing for change.
We've had just a few hours to read this dud, launched by the FCC the day before Thanksgiving. Here are a few of the many lowlights in the draft order and a quick explanation of why they're wrong.
While we'll have more analysis in the days to come, this is our first take. And if no one puts a stop to Pai's plans — with more than 200,000 rightly outraged internet users calling lawmakers and urging them to do just that on Tuesday alone — we'll have even more to say on this when we take the FCC to court.



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As much as it sickens me to read this, I have my doubts that this will actually pass. If there's one thing us bull-headed and opinionated Americans can stand together on, it's this. I have my doubts that this will go anywhere, personally. It's a good idea to call your rep, anyway, however.


If the article is being truthful and didn't exaggerate that number, let's assume that exactly 200,000 unique people used those tools they talked about during the last seven days. That equals out to 1,400,000 people. That might not sound like much compared to the US's population (~123,000,000), but that is significant.

Let's go a little further with that and say 200,000 people per day, each one unique, used the tools in 30 days. That's 6,000,000 people. Combine that theoretical number with the protests they've mentioned.....I highly doubt congress and then the president (regardless of opinions one way or the other) will actually let this slide through.

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If it DOES pass, you can bet there will be plenty of lawsuits to follow.



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True that. Not to mention, you KNOW the companies that support this will feel their bottom line hurting after people start using anything else.

I know I'm petty enough to switch services, maybe even pay MORE, just to stick it to them as much as I can.


The biggest flaw I see here, is not that they're trying to control the internet or whatever you call this, but the fact that they're trying to impart legislation onto a service which NOBODY owns. The US doesn't own it, Russia doesn't, China doesn't, a corporation doesn't, etc. Kind of mind boggling to think we all use something nobody owns. I hope that makes sense.



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Yeah, nobody owns it... but Al Gore invented it! LMAO



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Useless correction of Us population as of 2017 - 324,459,463 +/- a few hundred daily differences. ;)

On a separate note, Aug 26, 2016  it was reported :"While the administration and its defenders have denied that the UN will have authority over ICANN, the Wall Street Journal's L. Gordon Crovitz points out that ICANN will need to be run by a state agency in order to retain its antitrust exemption, which makes it almost certainly that the UN will step in to take control."

Crovitz notes:

It's shocking the administration admits it has no plan for how Icann retains its antitrust exemption. The reason Icann can operate the entire World Wide Web root zone is that it has the status of a legal monopolist, stemming from its contract with the Commerce Department that makes Icann an “instrumentality” of government.


Without the U.S. contract, Icann would seek to be overseen by another governmental group so as to keep its antitrust exemption. Authoritarian regimes have already proposed Icann become part of the U.N. to make it easier for them to censor the internet globally. So much for the Obama pledge that the U.S. would never be replaced by a “government-led or an inter-governmental organization solution.”

From newspapers to radio, then TV, then cable TV, satellite radio and TV, to social media ON the internet.. The Internet is still something that is relatively uncontrolled thanks to the 1A. But anyone here that may watch certain gun channels on youtube, another Google subsidiary, almost EVERY one of those channels have in the last month been facing heavy censorship and demonetization of their videos on youtube. Many right-winged channels claiming Anti-Media or Alternative media are facing similar issues.

What may seem like minimal collateral damage to most is really scrutiny and massive effort to silence those on the right-sided side of things in an effort to control what you see, think, like, dislike, vote for, buy, hate..etc..



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I take a more cynical approach then most it seems.

I don't think anything can stop NN from being killed. Centralization of power and monopoly is rampant in the post-9/11 America. Government and corporate interests in increased power are connected via intellectual property laws, campaign finance insanity, and corporate lobbying.

When all these entities want something, nothing short of massive widescale protests will stop it, and only because those entities fear political and financial backlash. Americans aren't going to do that. They're too busy working, trying to stay afloat, trying to stay employed, etc. And when time allows, they're facebooking, gaming, etc. America and really the world at large isn't based nor does it function on principles right now- it functions on profit and on desire. Principles (like NN) are one of the first casualties of opulence, and perceived opulence is the drug sold by corporate entities the world over.

They'll get rid of NN. They'll surveil more and more. Devices will more and more be tools that work for their corporate makers than the users. Data will increasingly belong to the corporate entities who take it by force and a myriad of indirect ways. Things will just keep on getting worse.

And then one day something seemingly benign will be the straw that broke the camels back, and all hell will break loose. Mass protests, revolutions, bloodshed, etc I dont know- whether peaceful or violent the entire order will change and principles will once again be respected and followed... and then humanity will start inching toward a new paradigm of corruption.

Humanity has had many different systems throughout its history, but one thing remains constant: any human thing social or material rises and falls. A cycle of chaos is our nature...

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One of these days, I'm gonna buy this man a cooler full of beers to share and have a great conversation over a campfire...



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Undrstm8ed wrote: One of these days, I'm gonna buy this man a cooler full of beers to share and have a great conversation over a campfire...



:cheers


What, wait did you say you were buying us beers?. :cheers



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Undrstm8ed wrote: One of these days, I'm gonna buy this man a cooler full of beers to share and have a great conversation over a campfire...



:cheers
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Though I should note as I don't drink much, a six pack will see me totally smashed- it better be a small cooler or :puke



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I'm sure all your forum buddies like myself will be more than happy to "take one for the team" and drink any of those pesky excess beers to prevent you from having a hangover the next morning! LOL



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Mike69 wrote: Undrstm8ed wrote: One of these days, I'm gonna buy this man a cooler full of beers to share and have a great conversation over a campfire...



:cheers


What, wait did you say you were buying us beers?. :cheers


That's helluva commute to tell the wifey your taking for some beers there brotha.. LOL



And @GFS1200S Don't worry, despite much of at least my German, Swiss, and Irish heritages I'm a lightweight myself as I don't typically drink. I do to be social and maintain my 2 beer limit most times but sometimes 3 just to prevent from NOT drinking any and finding out the first 6oz of beer in a bottle gets me buzzed during a luncheon.. Otherwise, heritage wise I should be a legal puddle on any pub floor in the world. Rofl

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The FCC officially votes to kill net neutrality


Now that the vote is over, the commission will take a few weeks to make final adjustments to the rules. They'll then be filed with the Federal Register and appear there in a few months. At that point, net neutrality will officially be off the books, and these new rules (or really, the absence of any) will take effect....




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My guess is you will notice very little difference due to the "rolling stone" theorem. I understand the implications.



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I have absolutely no idea what impact it may have, if any, outside of the US....

.... what concerns me more is the insidious infiltration of UK television by US based companies - programmes and adverts.




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The FCC officially votes to kill net neutrality


Now that the vote is over, the commission will take a few weeks to make final adjustments to the rules. They'll then be filed with the Federal Register and appear there in a few months. At that point, net neutrality will officially be off the books, and these new rules (or really, the absence of any) will take effect....




Well, it would take them some months to finalize the rules and implement them.  Then we will have lawsuits.  There was an announcement of a multiple state lawsuit within minutes of the vote.  There is also the Congressional Review Act https://www.senate.gov/CRSpubs/316e2dc1-fc69-43cc-979a-dfc24d784c08.pdf by which Congress can overturn this.  So I recommend contacting your representative and senators and urge them to overlook the fat telecom paycheck that they have received and to think of the people they are supposed to represent.

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