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Awd vs 4wd on v8 conversions
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 Posted: Sat Jun 23rd, 2018 01:49 am
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After reading a few threads on explorer v8 swaps for rangers it seems awd is the only option? Assuming a factory look and street legal is the intent, which is mine as well. Is the awd an upgrade or a disappointment? I'd love to hear from some who have done the swap or own one swapped. 

I have a 2007 sport 4x4, 4door, 4.0L SOHC V6 auto and I'm researching ways I can modify and personalize my ranger.



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There are plenty of options, there are adapters you can use your ranger transfer case, there are other transfer cases that fit with a little shifting of the motor to the passenger side.

This is a cool thread:

https://ford-rangers.com/forum43/829.html



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BW1356
BW4406
NP205

Those are your basic bolt in options, you don't HAVE to push the engine over to the side for np205 or 4406
Your 4r70w auto trans uses 30 spline output shaft and Ford 6 bolt pattern
There are a few T cases that bolt onto this

4406 Driveshafts are much easier then np205 but MOST times you will have to do some work to the D shafts. NP205 can also require extensive cutting of the 4r70w tailhousing to clear a twin stick shifter setup. Also the cable shifters needed to make this work in a Ranger can add $$$$$. 

Front driveshaft w 4406 we can usually make it bolt in. It all depends on what you can source in your local junk yards. When I converted my 96 explorer from AWD to 4wd many years ago I was able to find the correct front and rear shafts only required a conversion U joint

I don't like the np205 because its only 1.6 low range or something, I do like that it can be twin stick. There are no gearing options for the Ford version of this T case
NP205 works very well in a ranger even as a daily driver but the low range is not low enough for me
You can build a np205/1356 doubler and stuff that in there


Atlas T case is a good option but $$$$$$

Using the Advance Adapter and retaining the Ranger 1354 t case is ok but requires disassembly of your transmission in order to install the output shaft = $$$$$
This is what I have in my Bronco II, the Ranger 1354m t case is a strong strong case even behind the v8

I prefer to use the 4406 manual t case from a 4.6 or 5.4 F150 and bolt it in using driveshafts from same F150 (have rear re tubed to correct length) or find the correct year expedition 4.6 and bolt that rear shaft in. Cut hole in floor for shifter, use f150 linkage, hook up two lights in the dash and you have a 4x4 truck not a weird awd suv

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NP205 twin stick mated to explorer 4r70w:
Extensive modifications made to the tailhousing











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Since I started this thread I have found out there are options for rear wheel/4×4.

Anyone stick with AWD after the explorer V8 swap and like it?

Mannnn.....410customs, you really know your fords. No doubt you bleed blue...

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I have a friend in CO asked us to convert his 99 B4000 to 5.0 AWD
This truck is used for ice racing and dirt track racing (when there is no ice)
He is/was a believer in the 70/30 split of the awd case
With that said
We have several AWD explorers around here and they get around pretty dang good. They are great in the snow, dirt roads weekend warrior, etc.
However I really see the awd t case as a boat anchor given the options on the table.
The cost of the 4406m conversion here in my shop will pay for itself in the first 1-2 years of daily driving in MPG savings and front tires
Usually when we build a ranger we do the 4406m t case simply because I am not a fan of the AWD and the 4406 is still abundant.  4406 has a nice low range, is way overkill in a ranger (stout) and is a 97% bolt in deal. I usually have to pay to re tube a rear driveshaft simply because I don't want to drive all over trying to find the perfect junk yard part when I can build /modify my own front shaft and conversion U joint in house and pay a local guy $250 to rebuild a custom balanced rear.
The AWD eats up front end parts, tires, mostly it sucks fuel and passing power
The AWD full time case slips with clutches, they wear out and create heat. Heat is wasted energy
V8 explorer/Ranger needs RWD to get reasonable MPG 14-22 can be obtained with stockish 5.0

The Ice racer, he loves his AWD but has been considering a true 50/50 split with a cutting brake instead.....

I am not sold on it. I rolled a 96 explorer on the ice in Colorado because I was not expecting the rear to brake loose due to having 70 % power to the back
I was used to driving that road in my BII with the 50/50 split and the front end pulling.....

There is my rant about the AWD = yuck
The 4406, NP205, 1356m, even my 1354m are better choices IMO
Heck we can even do the electronic versions of any of these, keep your ranger 4x4 dash switch and wire in a stand alone shift motor controller
That opens up the 4406e and 1356e and 1354e (with adapter) shift cases as options..
If I have the budget/time I want to built a 1356/56 or 1356/205 doubler and stuff it in my BII but it may be easier and cheaper in the long run just to spring for an atlas. Nothing crawls like a doubler or an atlas

B4000 5.0L Ice racing truck:
flipped shackle in the rear, pulled bedsides, 33's, torsion twist, I love this truck
I have some more pics Ill post them up

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I've had mostly rear wheel vehicles and trucks. I've never cared for the feel of front wheel drives. Mostly because of corner starts. I've driven a couple AWD but not enough to have an opinion.  I know what I like but I'm always curious what others think. Thanks.



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now you know exactly how I feel about the 5.0L explorer AWD LMFAO!!
I think it is a band aid from Ford. They shoe horned the remaining 5.0 in the explorer to compete with the Durangos and Cherokees. The Gen II explorer was designed around the SOHC engine not the pushrod. So they came up with a few "band aids" just to get them produced IMO. The early exhaust manifolds HAHAHAHAHAHAHA and the AWD t case to me are afterthoughts...
They did us a huge favor that day, packaging the gt40 302 to fit between the frame rails, above the front diff and short enough to stuff in the SOHC engine bay. The best part is they ditched the 5r55 in favor of the f150 trans the wide ratio computer controlled 4r70w and gave us the DIS ignition and GT40 intakes!! Thank you Ford!!
Its almost like Borg Warner just took a 1354 t case that fit a ranger and built a quick AWD unit about the same size. I don't like them very much I'm sure that is clear. Once you remove one for true 4x4 there is no going back



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Hey I found a 4406 manual shift but it is from a F150 with a 4.2 V6 is it the same Tcase or no? Says it has 4r70w trans.

Need to know before he sells it.

I also found an electric shift 4406 from a V8 F150, is that the same case and ratios just a motor?



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I'm pretty sure they are the same. I asked 410customs about it once but I cant find it now



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Yes that is the same transfer case
The 4r70w (v8 trans) uses a 30 spline output shaft and Ford 6 bolt pattern. The 4406 ALWAYS bolts to this, all of them

You can do the 4406e (E shift) for sure
Yes it is the same T case, just with a shift motor.

When E shift 4406 is installed into an explorer you have to use the 2 door explorer (sport) 14 gallon fuel tank to make room for the shift motor.
I am not sure on the ranger I have not done a E shift 4406 into a Ranger yet, only 4 door explorers.

I have heard that the 4406e shift motor can be controlled with the stock v6 4x4 controller and dash switch. I have not done that yet, because we are usually converting V8 trucks from AWD to 4x4. So to convert a AWD 5.0 truck to e shift 4x4 we add:
4wd switch from V6 to dash bezel
Wire in 2002+ Motorolla 4 wheel drive control module
V6 wiring pigtail that goes through the floor and plugs into t case shift motor
The wiring from dash to drivers seat is already in place

If you buy a manual shift 4406 make SURE you get the shifter parts, mounting bracket, bolts, shift lever and shifter rod that attaches to the t case. These parts can be difficult to find BECAUSE they are attached to the tailhousing of the transmission.
So at the wreckers the transmission will go on one shelf while the T cases go on another...the shift linkage usually follows the transmission



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OK going for the e-shift trying to make a deal with him. Thanks, I'm going to be leaning on you a lot for this swap.


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I'm going to look out for the fuel tank thing BUT I'm convinced my short cab has a smaller tank than my ex cab already, I filled it from empty and it was about 14 gallons. I'm sure my ex cab takes about 18. Or the gauge is really screwed up on the small one.



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Hate to hijack this thread further (it is already coming up in google searches for 4406E LOL) but it is unclear..

What were the years of F150's that were equipped with the BW 4406E?



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4406 off the top of my head
96-03 F150 Some F250 ,

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Several Rangers over the years have been converted to the 4406e shift, I do not remember any gas tank mods being needed. The information is out there.
Basically with the 4406 E shift, the electronic HVAC control conversion, the message center/ center console and the explorer overhead console you can build yourself a Eddie Bauer or Limited Ranger :)

5.0L 4r70W and 4406 E shift with V6 dash bezel 4x4 switch, add the under seat wiring loom that feeds the T case motor, then wire up the stand alone motorolla 4x4CM box (easy) and your done.

I have LOTS of the motorolla boxes with wiring pigtails, I also have the wiring diagrams for this when you need them = make a thread!!



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JAMMAN wrote:
 

I'm going to look out for the fuel tank thing BUT I'm convinced my short cab has a smaller tank than my ex cab already, I filled it from empty and it was about 14 gallons. I'm sure my ex cab takes about 18. Or the gauge is really screwed up on the small one.


Jim, I just checked the owners manual for my 2000 Ranger & it states the regular cab short w/b is 16.5 gal, the regular cab long w/b is 20 gal, & the extended cab is 19.5 gal.



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Groovy, kinda means I was right just not 100% accurate on the amounts.

The little one gets better fuel mileage than it should. I didn't write it down but it is the best I have ever got from a ranger even the 2.5's.



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Found a 4406 manual in a 200? something f150 with the 4.2 V6 and 4r70w automatic (I was so hoping it was a 5 speed truck!)
Also found a 4406 electric shift in a 2008 F150 that had a 4.6L

They are all the same t case, just to confirm
4.2 and 4.6L F150 used the 4406 t case up to the end of the 4.6L run (2014?)

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