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That's right I just got an e-mail back from Robert of Torque monster headers and he is back in business, this is incredible news especially for the 98-00 ranger group that wants to plant a 5.0 from a 97 to 2001 Explorer or Mountaineer in their beloved Ranger. OR just put them on your Expo :)

He has the less expensive set for the GT40 heads and the ones specifically for the GT40P heads.

If you read this before ordering a set tell him Jim from ford-rangers.com sent you perhaps he will make a guest appearance to describe his product.

LONG LIVE THE V8 RANGER!!

I might throw my FMS headers up for sale and upgrade :)



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I hear that brotha . I wonder how they compare to my tri y’s I have now as far as gains in torque and hp if any . I plan on stayin all motor with the ranger and have heard good things about the tm’s Or the knock off obx’s of the torques . But for me I wonder what the out come would be going to equal length shorts compared to the tri’s



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Hmmm, maybe I should but an explorer. I'm assuming the swap is easy enough with a complete donor

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I wonder how they compare to my tri y’s I have now as far as gains in torque and hp if any .
The biggest advantage of Torque Monsters is that they bolt on a 5.0 and fit perfectly a in any 98+ Ranger engine compartment, but especially 4x4's. Also, judging by my set that were built a few years ago,  the design and construction are absolutely first rate.

For a 97-back Ranger, there are many other choices. The TM's have smallish primaries, uneven lengths and small collectors. Depending on the specs of what you have now, there's a chance that switching to TMs might actually be a performance hit rather than a gain. If off-the-shelf tri-Ys would have fit easily in my truck, I might have chosen them over the beautifully  made but very pricey TM's.

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For people without GT40p heads, yeah, there were a number of options for 97-older. And the Tri-Ys were a great solution. I'd stick with those...
However for those of us with GT40p heads, the only choice that I was ever aware of was:-Reuse the stock Explorer exhaust manifolds (both tube and cast)-FMS Explorer headers (no longer made)-TM Explorer headers-MAC's GT40p header
The Explorer tube manifolds should've been an absolute embarrassment to Ford. I'm dumbfounded they went to production with those things.
They did better with the cast iron manifolds which didn't come out until circa 99ish...which perform better mainly due to the larger ports.
FMS headers are more a hybrid between a manifold and a header. They are a bizarre routing of tubes with a LOT of tube-sharing across the cylinders and less-than-optimal flow characteristics...all compromises for a tight fit, but still better than the stock manifolds.
The TMs are not an option on 94-older Rangers because the engine bay is even more cramped than the 95-97 era due to the AC box. I wanted to work with Robert on making something that'd work for the 94-older era back in 2005, but once I actually got my engine in and running, it was just obvious there are no other options without sacrificing the AC box. 



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Stock 97 mountaineer 5.0 manifolds:




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The Explorer OEM Headers, are junk by any stretch of our imagination. There are crushed in portions and the bends are not smooth in some areas reducing flow through the headers... decreasing the performance gain of a header. Why use them ?

Unless they are your only choice, then WTF use them, but there has to be a better way... or at least less money way !



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My 212cc gokart has a bigger primary then the stock expo manifolds I realized lol I keep the tri’s then for sure . Now Im wondering what I should go with as far as h or x pipe but I guess that’s for a different thread



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The TMs are an engineering marvel, they look impressive and word is they work... that's nice.  I just cant get over all the piping, too much to me but I am not a designer or Flow Engineer, so what I think about the extra lengths doesn't matter.
Smaller diameter tube create high velocity air movement at lower rpms, and in turn increase low end torque, also the smaller tubes will create a suction on the heads, removing more of the spent gases... i.e. more new gas, bigger bang, more torque on low end.
Larger tubed headers are designed for high rpm runs, big HP, they don't suck on the low end as well as small tubes do but when you hit the higher rpm ranges they should develop more HP, again at the expense of low end torque.
If you are looking or TORQUE, which is what you feel when taking off, or trying to pull out of the mud, or just F-g off, you want smaller tube headers, i.e "Torque Monsters" !

Note:  Cubic Inches and head design can change the ID of the header tubes, larger engines need larger tubes but they still adhere to the theory of smaller tubes make better torque.

Has anyone tried a set of shorty headers ?

I was looking at Shorty Headers, L&L Products and Summit Truck Headers, and they look close to fitting.

I have a set of the Summit Headers setting on the side of the shop, all painted up in PRO15 Exhaust Paint, just waiting to be tried out but I am nowhere near ready for them.

IF the L&L Product Shorty Headers would fit, they are incredible headers, heavy gauged metal in the pipe, 1/2" Engine Flanges, 3/8" Header to Exhaust Pipe Flanges, and when you pick them up you can tell they are heavy duty.
I used a set on my '88 5.0L Swap years back and they worked great, but always wondered if they would fit in the newer Ranger/5.0L Swap !



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Just as an FYI: the set on Ebay went for $910



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Wow, what is the normal price for these ?



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Why do we need the TM's Headers ?
Are there really that many things to go around ?



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See the pic in post 6.

That is what the stock exhaust manifolds looked like on the 5.0 V8 in the 96 through 2001 ford explorer. This motor fits nicely in a 1998 to 2000 ranger without excessive modification BUT in either vehicle (especially using the late 97 to 2001 explorer motor because of the plug angle on the heads) there are only 2 types of headers that fit exactly and retain 100% use of things lets say like.... power steering and air conditioning.

One and the best option due to the greater flow is the torque monsters, the P head version bolts right on a stock expo or converted ranger without destroying anything else.

The other popular option is the FMS headers (Ford Motor Sport) which I have. I only bought FMS because I found someone who had upgraded to torque monsters and had them laying around. When I bought mine neither FMS nor TM were available new, I was looking for TM but needed something.

IMO it is not a HUGE upgrade from FMS to TM not worth doing unless you have a gob of money BUT either header will be substantially better than the stock manifolds pictured above.

There are a few other products that popped up in extremely limited quantities along the way, a couple clone products, but nothing worth mentioning because they are simply not available at all.



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Yes the OEM Headers on an Explorer are junk and at best aren't flowing anywhere near what is needed for good performance.

What are the FMS Headers look like, I will have to goggle them, wondering at this time if they look like standard headers or the TMs !

I will be back as soon as I goggle... !



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OK, I'm back and just as confused as I was when I left !

There are a lot of Headers out there for a 5.0L-W, but I did find some interesting ones for sure, they will make the engine compartment a little tight !

JAMMAN, please post a picture if you have one, of the FMS Headers you are using on your 5.0L Swap !

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Unfortunately most of my good pics were at "that other place" that brands their albumlike it is their content or something which is JUST WRONG. Though I provide unlimited gallery space if you really want to have a pic the sesized version is always unbranded, not watermarked and in your gallery.

BUT here is a pic of the FMS headers I bought, an actual picture that the facebook guy "big white explorer" or something like that posted when I asked about the headers.



There is at least one member here running them and loves them. They don't flow as well as TM but flow WAY better than stock.



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Thx !

FORD, Ford, Ford... as you said they probably don't flow as well as the TM but they flow better than the OEM Manifolds.

I can't find a way around the Emission System out here, still looking into it, but still thinking on ANY OTHER Headers other than the TM's and the FMS units.

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Scrambler there is not an easy way around CARB except to be registered in another state that doesn't have emissions.



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Tsquare wrote:
Scrambler there is not an easy way around CARB except to be registered in another state that doesn't have emissions.
Doesn't it seem logical that IF you pass the emissions for your year vehicle, it shouldn't matter what the drive train consists of !

Since I registered the vehicle with a 3.0L that is the only engine that will pass in my truck... who is writing these laws, I understand the idea of clean air but, refer to my first sentence,  WTF People smarten up !   If I don't make it worse then it should be ok.

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in CA you are allowed to install a drivetrain from similar year or newer as long as you retain the emissions equipment that was in your 3.0 to begin with and or the emissions equipment for your donor engine.

There are other headers that will work with a 302 into a RBV, the FMS and TMH headers are designed to work with the factory Explorer down pipes, any other manifolds will require custom down pipes. The early mustang Tri Y manifolds are a GOOD option for a 4wd ranger project on a budget

TMH headers were originally $720 shipped I believe, I got two sets for free and then bought another set directly from them for $550 and that was his cost
My 88 BII was the guinea pig for the first TMH conversion headers = why I got free stuff



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410customs wrote:
in CA you are allowed to install a drivetrain from similar year or newer as long as you retain the emissions equipment that was in your 3.0 to begin with and or the emissions equipment for your donor engine.

There are other headers that will work with a 302 into a RBV, the FMS and TMH headers are designed to work with the factory Explorer down pipes, any other manifolds will require custom down pipes. The early mustang Tri Y manifolds are a GOOD option for a 4wd ranger project on a budget

TMH headers were originally $720 shipped I believe, I got two sets for free and then bought another set directly from them for $550 and that was his cost
My 88 BII was the guinea pig for the first TMH conversion headers = why I got free stuff

I have a set of Truck Header, heavy walled tubing, 1/2" thick Flanges, very heavy and built rugged, not sure who makes them but purchased from Summit a long time back.  They are kind of shaped like the old HiPo 289 Cast Iron Headers.

I also have a set of the HIPo 289 Cast Iron Headers, they are a shorty header with flowing lines from the heads to the collectors, actually a nice looking set of headers for their time, wonder what they are worth !?!   I do think they would work on my '03/5.0 conversion but I have never got to the point of trying them and yes they would require a custom header pipe.
L&L Products makes a GREAT set of conversion headers, made from very heavy material, and fit my '88/5.0L setup and fit great but again never tried them in a newer Ranger Conversion.    
Now since I am having a problem with California Emissions I probably won't need the Cast iron or the Truck header anymore... so much stuff to sell off !

Anyway, good to be in a business to get stuff free or at cost, I used to be in the Stereo Business, installs too but not the super elaborate setups, but there was always a discount price on equipment I tested for the Distributor, but those days are gone, I would be happy with just a decent discount now !



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Had a hell of a time finding this thread again. Why isnt it in exhaust tech?

Anyway. I've been watching videos again. Lol. 

Once you've done the V8 swap and you got your TM headers on, can you still get to the spark plugs or do you need to hope yours last the life of the truck or pull the engine to change them? I had a hard time doing the passenger side on the SOHC v6. Lol. It looks even harder with the 5.0 and headers.



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Spark plugs on 5.0 super easy even with TMH headers, in fact the 5.0 spark plugs are WAY EASIER to access then the OHV or SOHC 4.0l

The TMH headers will fit both GT40 and GT40P heads.....I know because I have done it. You just need to use plug wires with 45 degree angle boots. They also fit aftermarket aluminum heads

the TMH headers fit the IFS trucks with no modifications and retain the stock 5.0L down pipes and CLEAR the 4x4
Conversion headers are typically built for a 5.0L into a TTB truck, completely different. TMH also builds a set of conversion headers (first set were used on my 88 BII in 2005) this model works in TTB trucks.
TMH headers are CA emissions certified, all 50 states will accept these as carb compliant with the certification right on the drivers header.

Robert went through heck to get the CA certification

TMH headers were about $700 to get a set to your door
They are made with Jet hot coating, this process alone is $200.......so the cheap knock offs will never be as good as TMH
TMH headers are very well built and work perfectly, you just need to use different gaskets and hardware rather then the stuff he ships out..

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410customs wrote:
Spark plugs on 5.0 super easy even with TMH headers, in fact the 5.0 spark plugs are WAY EASIER to access then the OHV or SOHC 4.0l

The TMH headers will fit both GT40 and GT40P heads.....I know because I have done it. You just need to use plug wires with 45 degree angle boots. They also fit aftermarket aluminum heads

the TMH headers fit the IFS trucks with no modifications and retain the stock 5.0L down pipes and CLEAR the 4x4
Conversion headers are typically built for a 5.0L into a TTB truck, completely different. TMH also builds a set of conversion headers (first set were used on my 88 BII in 2005) this model works in TTB trucks.
TMH headers are CA emissions certified, all 50 states will accept these as carb compliant with the certification right on the drivers header.

Robert went through heck to get the CA certification

TMH headers were about $700 to get a set to your door
They are made with Jet hot coating, this process alone is $200.......so the cheap knock offs will never be as good as TMH
TMH headers are very well built and work perfectly, you just need to use different gaskets and hardware rather then the stuff he ships out..

Sweet!!



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410customs wrote:
The TMH headers ..... also fit aftermarket aluminum heads.
They may fit some aluminum heads without modification but not all. Both of my aluminum AFR heads needed a little mill time to provide clearance for the collector on the PS and for the flanged joint in the #5 primary on the DS. 

The sides of the original iron head castings have recesses between the external head bolt holes and these accommodate the tightly tucked TMH's. The AFR's have a thicker, flat casting in the same area and that's what causes the interference. 

Not a big deal, just something to check for. If your Al heads have a clearance issue like the AFR's, it should be easier to deal with before the heads are assembled to the block.

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