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 Posted: Sun May 10th, 2020 08:45 pm
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First of all this is happening in a garage/driveway. I have a substantial collection of cordless power tools including a very large impact. I have a cherry picker, 2 floor jacks, 4 jack stands an engine stand AND help from a guy as crazy as I am just younger.

I have no torch. Should I get one first?

First question, pulling/planting. I'm from old school where you separate trans from engine then drop/pull.

Is it easier in a garage environment to put everything together then weasel it in... what is the method most used? If cutting and welding the core support is the absolute best I will do it. I don't have a welder but I have drills and pop rivets and a really nice riv nut tool I could make it removable for future swaps LOL.

No Adam we are not cutting the frame and dropping the 3.0 out the bottom :-)

I have heard it is good to take the upper plenum off the 5.0 before planting it, the last time I put just engine in with no transmission I didn't have a problem with the plenum but fully assembled is it a problem?

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 Posted: Mon May 11th, 2020 02:16 pm
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you can pull your old v6 and trans together
You should plan to install the 5.0 without the upper intake and then stab the trans to it
You would only need a torch to get any rusted exhaust bolts that wont free, should not be a problem since you can just cut the v6 stuff and pull the v6 engine and trans together.

Remember the 96+ explorer came with a 5.0 factory, your 03 Ranger is identical as far as the engine bay is concerned, so the drivetrain will bolt in just like if you were at the Ford factory.....no cutting and torching of radiator supports or frame rails needed for this one. :) Everything basically BOLTS IN 
The difference between a 97 Explorer and 03 Ranger the explorer frame rails stay wide behind the front seats, because the leaf springs are under the frame rails and the leafs go under the axle 
The ranger frame rails get narrow because the leaf springs are outboard the frame rails and go on top of the axle 
Otherwise all is "same, same" (Miagi voice)
So as far as putting a 5.0 into a ranger is concerned the only real changes are to the exhaust after the B pillar and the rear driveshaft, after the B pillar.......otherwise 5.0 conversion bolts in like it should have been there from the factory.
Its the wiring and little bit of plumbing know how that make the v8 a conversion......



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 Posted: Mon May 11th, 2020 02:46 pm
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Thanks, it's an 00 not an 03 but same beast.

The wiring and plumbing scare me the least, you know me.

The exhaust only scares me because I have no welder, I can see paying for a proper cross over setup and I really don't see why someone doesn't just make one and sell it. If you can sell a silencer as a fuel filter you should be able to sell a racing exhaust with bungs for upstream O2 sensors WHICH BTW I found out aside from the length of wires they are the EXACT SAME SENSOR upstream, downstream, 5.0, 4.0, 3.0 in the year ranges I am playing with. I already have one new one I bet out of the 4 I have left over I can salvage 1 and I will need 2 total.

I bet the upper intake being off makes it painless to get to the transmission dip stick bracket bolt on the back of the head and at least the 2 top bell housing bolts? Makes sense oh great one :-)

There will be 2 ground straps added while I am back there, I'm a big fan of over grounding.

I have complete wiring diagrams for both vehicles which will make that part a breeze.

Now more questions.

1. My 97 5.0 had a steel fan. I don't want to go electric this round as I'm actively looking for one of those MK VIII fans and will convert when I find one. I saw a plastic version of this fan on a couple projects what years came with this plastic fan and is it worth trying to hunt one down for this round. What will the gains be aside from weight reduction?

2. Looks like from the answer to my transfer case question I will need the front driveshaft shortened OR will the front driveshaft off a F150 work? Will I need one off a short cab or an extended cab F150 or are they the same?

The rear I can probably handle, I have 2 yokes for a 4R70W with 2 different diameters and multiple driveshafts off of various crap laying around. 1 from a V8 expo, one from a V6 expo and I believe one from a short cab ranger that already has a crown Vic 4r70w yoke on it. Yay.



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 Posted: Mon May 11th, 2020 05:33 pm
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On electric fans also look at the Volvo electric fan setup. I had a set on my 99 F150 and it freed up a few HP and helped a little with highway mileage. I had one  fan wired to come on with air conditioning compressor where it seemed to help with the AC.

If you do go with electric fans install a manual over-ride to turn power off if you are wading water and also set one up with a manual over-ride to turn power on to one of the fans if needed.



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 Posted: Mon May 11th, 2020 07:24 pm
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Cheapest electric fan set up- ford contour! Them bad boys can be had cheap brand new. I got a set on my 347 stroker mustang and they have no problem keeping it cool on a 90 degree day. You could use a plastic fan from a 98+. Just don’t get a new fan clutch from rockauto. Mine spins the wrong way out of the box...



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 Posted: Thu May 28th, 2020 01:01 am
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I used a steel fan on my '88/5.0-W conversion.
I've always thought that a mechanical fan was the best way, BUTT... electric fans have their place when needed.
The radiator I used fit under the front radiator support, it actually fit in the opening and out of the way of the front end accessories on the '93 Mustang Engine. (didn't know anything about the Explorer 5.0's front end)... four core, a little thick.

The only problem I faced, even with this special radiator, was the truck ran hotter on the Highway than around town.
It was something about too much pressure coming in from under the truck at speed, because of the lift and the removal of the air dam, and the air was having trouble getting through the radiator; fixed it by raising the rear of the hood, a poor mans Crowl Vent.
Also, I switched to a single electric fan to reduce the heat before I found out what caused the problem, had to add a LARGE capacitor to reduce radio interference (Amateur Radios), but it worked ok.

I know this isn't an '00... but it is just an interesting point for the air flow with a 5.0L.

Good Luck with your swap.



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When I installed the 5.0 in my 69 Mustang I installed the engine, & then installed the T-5 5spd trans. I used the contour dual electric cooling fans in the Mustang but have not run it yet. The word on the classic Mustang forums that the Ford Contour dual cooling fans work great but you need a fan controller. If you use the Ford Contour dual electric cooling fans you need to have a 24" wide radiator. Jim if you need a O2 sensor I have a Bosch upstream for my 2000 Ranger that I do not need, you can have it for the shipping.



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unless you want electric fans, nothing will cool it as good as the v8 shroud and clutch fan..I personally just don't like electric fans since I had them go out on me in the middle of nowhere. I was good as long as I was driving, but the minute I came to a stop... I was looking for the panic button..hahahaa



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