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I was seeing if anyone knew where I could find the correct headers for a 01 explorer 5.0 swap to my 99 ranger . To my understanding the only brands that fit ,outside of having them custom built, the build properly  are Monster Torque *899+60shipping* ,OBX, and Ford Performance.  The monster ones I think I've found, but from reading alot of forums suggest they hardly respond and that some of the products come out defective. With that said and a $960 price tag, I don't 
Wanna go with them as my first option. 
If anyone has the OBX or Ford Performance headers for 96-01 ford explorer 5.0 that they wanna part with or could send me a link to find them. It would be greatly appreciated.

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Hi and welcome to F-R!

I've heard a little differently, Torque Monsters I have never heard a complaint about and it was a rather big deal in January of 2018 when Robert started making them again after and EXTENDED painful hiatus. Painful for the Ranger swapping community LOL.

He has 2 models, one that fit GT40 heads only and are a little cheaper and the one famous design that will fit both 40 and 40P's.

The OBX headers are the ones with consistent problems, cracking welds and leaks but they do fit and work identical to the TM's otherwise.

GOOD LUCK finding the 3rd alternative, the FMS headers which performance wise are not as hot as the TM's but not by enough to be a deal breaker. I personally own a set and after I die I want them put in a museum they seem that hard to find. Most of that is humor but I seriously would not sell them.

Your best bet is to keep your ears open for someone that is going into a more severe race mode with their truck and don't need the TM's. Even on e-bay they are bringing most of their original cost.

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Torque Monster Headers are pricey but the build quality is TOP NOTCH and the jet hot coating he uses would cost you $400 to have installed just right there, so this way we can justify the price :) There were some issues with the first sets of TMH, leaky collectors, poorly designed EGR tube...those have been fixed.

The OBX headers are a copy cat of the TMH, can be found cheaper and their build quality can be questionable
They are made from cheaper materials and the coating is not as high quality. However if you get them cheap enough this is a great option

The FMS manifolds are not really a performance shorty header just a manifold that Ford produced for a few years that flows better then the stock block hugger manifolds. Good luck finding a set of FMS manifolds...they are pretty rare these days but DO pop up online for sale.

Which ever manifold you decide make sure you get good gaskets so you onlt have to install them once.

I have seen OBX headers priced from $350-750 at the $350 price I would consider them, if you have to pay over $500 for them I would save a little more and get the TMH

Whatever you do just know this
the factory explorer exhaust manifolds are choking the power your 302 can make, without replacing them with something better your 302 will never make more power then stock. Robert of Torque Monster went through heck to get his headers a California CARB certification years ago and when he did they gained 24+ HP  just by bolting them onto a stock 5.0 Explorer........ As far as power adders go, $850 for 25 hp is money well spent

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The OBX headers are the ones with consistent problems, cracking welds and leaks but they do fit and work identical to the TM's otherwise.
Would it be cost effective to buy a set of the OBX and then beef up the welds with some TIG skills?  Just a thought...



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I personally wouldn't take the chance. Some OBX advocates claim you endure leaks with any header, the nature of a performance product. I disagree but can't say for sure being I have only owned like 3 or 4 sets of headers in my life and never officially raced with them.



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I have NEVER owned a set of headers.  Even back in the day with cars like my '66 GTO or '70 Cyclone, they were stock. I didn't see a need for more performance with those cars as they had more power than I could use.



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I have installed plenty of headers and they do not leak?
Why would you be ensured leaks if you run headers? I don't follow that logic.
It's the install that ensures there are no leaks
I can see leaks developing over time with crappy fasteners, gaskets, etc but leaks can be fixed and once you get the correct gaskets and fasteners they should not return.



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Years ago, I had a 1986 Pontiac Sunbird Turbo GT. It had a sideways 4 cylinder turbo charged and was pretty snappy. I had the exhaust manifold off of that car at least 4 times. It wasn't a cast manifold, but rather more like aftermarket headers. The welds would crack at the mounting flange. I would take it off and have my brother-in-law weld it for me. It did this about once a year. Each time I put it back on, I used a new gasket and new bolts & washers. It was just a bad design IMO.



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In all the years I have built vehicles for street and racing, to include a 1988 Ranger STX/5.0L with L&L Product headers, none leaked, not at the collectors, not at the heads.

Thinking on this, is it possible to modify the Spring Towers, cut them back some, and use a good set of shorty headers ?

What changed in the Engine Bay from the '88 to the '01-up Rangers ?

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I know obx is very spotty with quality but I’m thinking about getting a set since on eBay they are 568. Is it worth waiting till a can afford torque monsters?



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My thought on this is... IF you can test the OBX Headers before install, i.e. pressure or vacuum test, and make sure there are no leaks, AND you can get them at a good price allowing for additional testing, then go for the OBX.
Are the TMH worth the $1000 price tag, that is up to you and just how bad you want them; to me, I don't think any set of headers is worth $1000 or close to that price. 
I would research the install and the room available to see if there are any alternative.  I know people have said before the TMH and the OBX Headers are the only choice... that to me is a good reason to check out what else will fit, or at least is there room for modifying the Spring towers to allow more room in the engine compartment.  If I had my engine ready for install, I would do some measuring but I'm not there yet.
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Scrambler82 wrote:
My thought on this is... IF you can test the OBX Headers before install, i.e. pressure or vacuum test, and make sure there are no leaks, AND you can get them at a good price allowing for additional testing, then go for the OBX.
Are the TMH worth the $1000 price tag, that is up to you and just how bad you want them; to me, I don't think any set of headers is worth $1000 or close to that price. 
I would research the install and the room available to see if there are any alternative.  I know people have said before the TMH and the OBX Headers are the only choice... that to me is a good reason to check out what else will fit, or at least is there room for modifying the Spring towers to allow more room in the engine compartment.  If I had my engine ready for install, I would do some measuring but I'm not there yet.
Good Luck on your choices.

I’m probably gona go obx. I can’t shell out 890 plus shipping right now. I refuse to use the factory expo manifolds tho.



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The OBX headers are tested for leaks during MFG I hear and all pass. It is down the road (literally) you have little leaks here and there. I have never heard of an all out failure just little cracks and leaks.



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Torque monster FTW!!

Yes they are awesome looking, I just don’t have the money lol. Idk, either save up some more or I wait till spring time when work gives me more hours and side work pics up to the point I’ll have them sitting on my parts self.

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I love the extravagant dance they do on the driver side. All because Ranger and explorer owners feel they have to have steering, go figure.



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I wondered why they were all puffy like that.  I just figured it had something to do with the flow of everything.  What is that pipe connector on top of the passenger side for?



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I wondered why they were all puffy like that.  I just figured it had something to do with the flow of everything.  What is that pipe connector on top of the passenger side for?
EGR on the older 5.0's. I blocked it off on my FMS headers. Made my own cap.



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So are the OBX and FMS headers like that also, since it's a clearance thing... or do they approach it differently?



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OBX headers are a COPY of the TMH they look alot like the TMH, same routing, same same just not as high quality especially on the JET hot header coating (would cost you $350-400 to walk into a shop and have a set of headers coated like the TMH are)

the 97.5-01 Explorer 5.0 has an EGR tube on top of the passenger side header, this is the exhaust gas sample tube for the EGR system. On the 96-97.5 engines the plumbing for the EGR is inside the lower and upper intake manifolds
This is a quick and easy way to see what heads the engine has. GT40 = no egr pipe (96-97.5), GT40p = EGR pipe (97.5-01)

The EGR fitting uses standard pipe thread fittings so making adapters or a plug for the EGR line is do able at hardware store

The way the TMH are routed is REQUIRED to fit the Explorer (95-01) and Ranger (98-11) engine bay, they hug the block, they bolt up to the factory 96-01 down pipes, and they clear the frame rails, heater box and steering shaft.......

yes that is Eddie Monies 104K 1998 302 engine that was refreshed here in my shop and given alot of new parts including the cam/valvetrain and TMH headers :)

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Encyclopedia 410! LOL :)  That is good info to know.  Although I probably won't ever have the money to do a 302 swap to my Ranger, I keep this info around just in case.  AND, since my son is heading that direction, I hope he is taking notes here...



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the 97.5-01 Explorer 5.0 has an EGR tube on top of the passenger side header, this is the exhaust gas sample tube for the EGR system. On the 96-97.5 engines the plumbing for the EGR is inside the lower and upper intake manifolds
This is a quick and easy way to see what heads the engine has. GT40 = no egr pipe (96-97.5), GT40p = EGR pipe (97.5-01)

OK I might have to mildly contest this and add something unless I'm seeing it wrong. I have a 97 5.0, was a tweener possibly right on the cusp. I am sure they are GT40 non P heads, 3 stripes, more severe spark plug angle. There was a EGR tube from the exhaust manifold to the back of the intake manifold, I made my own block off for both locations. Perhaps this is the setup and the passage is between the upper and lower intakes (I have never had them apart). On the P head variation where does this tube go to that is from the exhaust manifold?

The way I read your post was that there is no tube on the older ones and the EGR exists only between the upper and lower intake (which is a really bad idea BTW).



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