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Morning, Happy New Year !

I am getting ready to install my new Stereo System, Alpine iLX-207... "Apple Car Play" (ACP) rated very good and Pioneer Speakers, two rear, four front, and 10" Woofer.
I was test driving a few Truck over the last three or so months, maybe more, came away from the driving with two things... "All Car Sales People thing the person buying a new vehicle is a gullible, stupid, individual, AND drum roll please, I thing this ACP is a great thing.
I had the Salmon on each Test Drive, show me how to use the ACP, and see just how much they knew.  The younger sales people knew what to do, one older guy just getting back in the swing of selling cars didn't know but promised he would get someone that could explain it, never did, kept putting me off. (Jeep Gladiator Test), anyway... I can see the Waze App on a 7" screen and my other Apps worked great so I decided to get a Radio that IS suppose to use ACP !

So now I am at a point of the Woofer, I have from my Pile of Mods, Pioneer Speakers, yes new and in the OEM Boxes but not installed yet !  My Woofer is a Pioneer, TS-A250D4, 10" with an Enclosure that has a volume of .88 cu.ft.  My problem is that I need between .50 and .80 to effectively use this bass, and .60 to .70 is where I want to be.

Does anyone know about filling the Enclosure with other material to increase performance and/or reduce volume ?

What materials are best, what materials are a scam ?

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I would use MDF but I'm far from an expert. Funny you chose pioneer for the sub, I was looking at a TS-SW2502S4 because I have no room at all. I have single cab enclosure plans but it won't fit as the guy designed it after I added the shorty console.

MDF is about as dead as it gets. You going to put insulation in there too? I played with house speakers back in the day and made 2 sets of enclosures. Laminated particle board it actually looked pretty cool but I stuffed it with fiberglass and boy did it light them up.



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JAMMAN wrote:
I would use MDF but I'm far from an expert. Funny you chose pioneer for the sub, I was looking at a TS-SW2502S4 because I have no room at all. I have single cab enclosure plans but it won't fit as the guy designed it after I added the shorty console.

MDF is about as dead as it gets. You going to put insulation in there too? I played with house speakers back in the day and made 2 sets of enclosures. Laminated particle board it actually looked pretty cool but I stuffed it with fiberglass and boy did it light them up.

First, Pioneer and I have been friends for years and mt Amp and All Speakers are Pioneer this time, but the Head Unit is an Alpine iLX-207.
Got hung up on Apple Play while test driving a couple of Gladiators and a couple of Tacomas, mimmiced the Phone screen, NICE, so I wanted a Head Unit that worked with Apple Car Play.

The Sub Box and Woofer... I changed my Woofer Speaker to the 250D4, instead of the one you were looking at, I too have a Std Cab, BUT all of my Rangers had single Std Cabs. 

The Box, is this one attached, sorry it is so big, here is the description "Q Power 10 Inch Single Slim Truck Shallow Sealed Subwoofer Box Sub Enclosure", a little too tall to fit under the lip in the back wall but it is also a little large for my speaker so I am going to notch it around the lip.  the bottom is the right size for the shelf in back of the seats.
The Material is 5/8" MDF so I thought putting in some insulation might be a good idea.

Here is where I got it:  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H7MZ4OA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1,  $28 but was onside for $25.

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It would take 10-3/4 to fit under that lip, that's why I wanted to go custom. I am even considering 8" to stay under lip with an enclosure. I removed the jack so I can do 2.

I don't know if you have had your carpet out but that hump at the bottom half way across right behind the driver seat.... that is molded in the carpet. Replace the carpet and it is gone!



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JAMMAN wrote:
It would take 10-3/4 to fit under that lip, that's why I wanted to go custom. I am even considering 8" to stay under lip with an enclosure. I removed the jack so I can do 2.

I don't know if you have had your carpet out but that hump at the bottom half way across right behind the driver seat.... that is molded in the carpet. Replace the carpet and it is gone!

With aftermarket carpet, I thought I measured 11" but either way I will cut a notch out of the back of the box.
From what I see, I should be able to reverse and flip the cut out piece and glue and clamp it back; I will use my table saw to make the cuts and both cuts will be from a flat straight surface ... hoping the cuts will be straight enough to do the flip of the piece being cut.

I will lose some space in the box but it is on the large side of the space allowed for the speaker, it shouldn't matter and the fact that I haven't heard this sub and enclosure before it shouldn't matter.

I got the front grille yesterday in the mail, it is bigger than I was thinking, maybe I should have gotten a 8" Woofer.

My Jack and OEM Floor material has been removed for over six years, the Trans Shift Oil Leakage has damaged this carpet, looks like I maybe buying new AGAIN !

My plan is one 10" Sub, nothing to speak of just want clean Bass.  The unit will be centered so hoping for the best.

I didn't think when buying the Sub Speaker... I bought a dual coil speaker this time around, I can wire it parallel or serial, I'm thinking parallel connected but I need to read some more.

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That will depend on your amp. If the amp is stable at 2 ohms run it in parallel and just turn the volume down on it. Always use the least resistance your amp will handle, it will be higher anyway because of the speaker wires.



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JAMMAN wrote:
That will depend on your amp. If the amp is stable at 2 ohms run it in parallel and just turn the volume down on it. Always use the least resistance your amp will handle, it will be higher anyway because of the speaker wires.
When I purchased the amp and the six other speakers, it was purchased from a Matrix that the manufacturer put out, and I thought they were all 4 ohms, so the amp is an 800 watt, 4-Ohm setup.
The Sub is 2-Ohms per leg, so it can be wired for 4-Ohms.
I have to lay-everything out and then chem everything before install.

Got the 10" Enclosure today, tomorrow Fitting to the Cab Starts.


Have you ever seen a "pre-formed front door angled mount" for Ranger ?



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Nope, sounds like a product that needs to be designed.

I did a search and didn't come up with anything canned. There were some but not a very large angle. I have some plastic angle risers from an explorer but decided so far not to use them.

I'm seriously looking at these, would be interesting to cram a set in the door of ranger.

https://www.amazon.com/Infinity-Perfect-5-1-Component-Speaker/dp/B00009V3SD

They are highly regarded among the heavy rock/metal heads. I've heard in most situations you only need a little bit of sub because they have a good amount of bass as is. But talk is cheap, I have never heard a pair.



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I have a similar set of 6.5s separate cross over and tweeters for the front doors, but Pioneer.

I've always liked Pioneer, all of my speakers and Amp are Pioneer but I've been told, the Apple Car Play isn't that good in the Pioneer.

The Door Pod, I searched and e-mail a few of the manufacturers and found nothing and was told there is nothing available, so I'm up in the air.

My needs are not heavy bass, just clean sound, and not heavy metal, so LOUD isn't a big deal.   

One good thing, I will be able to install my newly Graphic Radio Bezel.

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I like to use either MDF or particle board for my boxes with plenty of internal screw points.
For filling the box, I normally use some poly-fill, the same stuff you'd use to stuff a pillow (from the craft department). You don't want to super pack the fill material, just loosely fluff it inside the box. Not sure if it really "makes the box seem larger" myth but it doesn't seem to hurt, especially in sealed boxes.



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I like to use either MDF or particle board for my boxes with plenty of internal screw points.
For filling the box, I normally use some poly-fill, the same stuff you'd use to stuff a pillow (from the craft department). You don't want to super pack the fill material, just loosely fluff it inside the box. Not sure if it really "makes the box seem larger" myth but it doesn't seem to hurt, especially in sealed boxes.

Buggman, good to see you posting, was wondering if you left the Ranger/LED Lighting Site. (Looking for something to improve the light output for my Interior Light - Std Cab)

I've been reading about the Poly Fill and it seems that it IS used as a fill to increase the virtual area inside of the box.

The Funny thing is nowhere have I read HOW it does it !  Wasn't any Scientific Sites to look at !
It is said it breaks up the sound waves, causing an affect similar to an increased in volume, LoL !

Instead of building a new enclosure, I cut down the enclosure I got stuck with down to a manageable size for the area behind the seats in my Single Cab.
I calculated the cubic area of the cut off section, easier to calculate on a rectangle than that step needed to fit in the rear wall of the cab Panel.
I started with 0.88 cu. ft., cut off approximately 0.19 cu.ft. (had to recaluate) and ended with 0.69 cu. ft. !   The smaller 8" Woofer needs the same volume as the 10" version, 0.35 - 0.60 cu. ft., I don't think, and do not know for sure, but the 0.09 cu. ft. shouldn't effect the sound.



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dont forget to subtract the volume of the speaker itself from your 0.88 enclosure, once you drop the woofer in there the cone and cage and magnet take up a bit of airspace, might bring you right to the 0.8 you are after



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dont forget to subtract the volume of the speaker itself from your 0.88 enclosure, once you drop the woofer in there the cone and cage and magnet take up a bit of airspace, might bring you right to the 0.8 you are after
I thought that would be taken as a given, the manufacturer would suggest a needed enclosure size to include any volume taken away by the speaker... interesting thought.

I will ask around but I'm still going on the fact if the speaker requires an enclosure of a given size... that it !   
Too many things to think about, if I get bass out of it then I'm ahead of the curve.

LoL !

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I like to use either MDF or particle board for my boxes with plenty of internal screw points.
For filling the box, I normally use some poly-fill, the same stuff you'd use to stuff a pillow (from the craft department). You don't want to super pack the fill material, just loosely fluff it inside the box. Not sure if it really "makes the box seem larger" myth but it doesn't seem to hurt, especially in sealed boxes.

Buggman, good to see you posting, was wondering if you left the Ranger/LED Lighting Site. (Looking for something to improve the light output for my Interior Light - Std Cab)

I've been reading about the Poly Fill and it seems that it IS used as a fill to increase the virtual area inside of the box.

The Funny thing is nowhere have I read HOW it does it !  Wasn't any Scientific Sites to look at !
It is said it breaks up the sound waves, causing an affect similar to an increased in volume, LoL !

Instead of building a new enclosure, I cut down the enclosure I got stuck with down to a manageable size for the area behind the seats in my Single Cab.
I calculated the cubic area of the cut off section, easier to calculate on a rectangle than that step needed to fit in the rear wall of the cab Panel.
I started with 0.88 cu. ft., cut off approximately 0.19 cu.ft. (had to recaluate) and ended with 0.69 cu. ft. !   The smaller 8" Woofer needs the same volume as the 10" version, 0.35 - 0.60 cu. ft., I don't think, and do not know for sure, but the 0.09 cu. ft. shouldn't effect the sound.

I'm still around everywhere, just don't post nearly as much as I should these days lol. 
I've been using the good old polyfill for boxes for as long as I can remember. It seems to work & it's cheap too haha!



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Scrambler82 wrote:
buggman wrote:

I like to use either MDF or particle board for my boxes with plenty of internal screw points.
For filling the box, I normally use some poly-fill, the same stuff you'd use to stuff a pillow (from the craft department). You don't want to super pack the fill material, just loosely fluff it inside the box. Not sure if it really "makes the box seem larger" myth but it doesn't seem to hurt, especially in sealed boxes.

Buggman, good to see you posting, was wondering if you left the Ranger/LED Lighting Site. (Looking for something to improve the light output for my Interior Light - Std Cab)

I've been reading about the Poly Fill and it seems that it IS used as a fill to increase the virtual area inside of the box.

The Funny thing is nowhere have I read HOW it does it !  Wasn't any Scientific Sites to look at !
It is said it breaks up the sound waves, causing an affect similar to an increased in volume, LoL !

Instead of building a new enclosure, I cut down the enclosure I got stuck with down to a manageable size for the area behind the seats in my Single Cab.
I calculated the cubic area of the cut off section, easier to calculate on a rectangle than that step needed to fit in the rear wall of the cab Panel.
I started with 0.88 cu. ft., cut off approximately 0.19 cu.ft. (had to recaluate) and ended with 0.69 cu. ft. !   The smaller 8" Woofer needs the same volume as the 10" version, 0.35 - 0.60 cu. ft., I don't think, and do not know for sure, but the 0.09 cu. ft. shouldn't effect the sound.





http://audiojudgement.com/thiele-small-parameters-explained/

This is off my CM308D4's, the link explains each part of the Thiele/Small parameters for those interested in learning more about what they're dealing with of their own parameters better. 


Poly-fil by name is actually a brand and seems to have become more of an identifier of products than a single product, much like everyone pretty much calls any sound deadner material "dynomat" and its accepted as such despite over a dozen brands with other well known brand names. As such, Poly-fil fills the virtual area in the box by slowing down the sound waves, thus making the box seem larger. Breaking up soundwaves doesn't really make much sense. The commonly used phrase of "breaking up standing waves" which refers in acoustics to stopping reflections between parallel walls or similarly symmetrical reflective surfaces which cause tonal resonances; most often seen in square or rectangular boxes or enclosures.


As for the removed airspace, ideally in a sealed box application (2nd order enclosure), you should be able to increase power vs reducing the power. A ported enclosure would be different depending on anything else 3rd order and above.  I once had a Kicker rep tell me there was no actual difference in a Solobaric vs a Kicker Comp (at that time) with exception of the marketing of the two separated by the fact the Solobaric was sold as a woofer able to work in smaller enclosures, via adding power handling and the in the Thiele/Small/Parameters, the power was nearly doubled as the airspace was just over a 1/3 of a Comp needed airspace. Whether his comments were a 100%, I can't prove otherwise over 2 decades later but I've done well with both.





buggman wrote:
I like to use either MDF or particle board for my boxes with plenty of internal screw points.
For filling the box, I normally use some poly-fill, the same stuff you'd use to stuff a pillow (from the craft department). You don't want to super pack the fill material, just loosely fluff it inside the box. Not sure if it really "makes the box seem larger" myth but it doesn't seem to hurt, especially in sealed boxes.


MDF is denser than particle board and also easier to sand or work with. Neither do well with high moisture and often act like a sponge when they get wet. But few people are willing to spend $58-70 for a 4x8 sheet of Marine Grade Plywood which does have a different sound as would any other Hardwood used.  My enclosure is rather difficult in design for a single down firing 8" after swapping in the sport seats awhile back. 


I no longer recommend the use of liquid nail in box building.. Wood glue works far better, add 100% silicone to seal enclosures as it doesnt build up a gas while drying and ignite while under pressure and electronically ignited [add facepalm] when test bumping the following day!

I still havent built the enclosure but I think when i do, I may actually make a video of the box/amp rack build as well as take pics, then maybe a follow up as its installed and test bumped.


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dont forget to subtract the volume of the speaker itself from your 0.88 enclosure, once you drop the woofer in there the cone and cage and magnet take up a bit of airspace, might bring you right to the 0.8 you are after

It's been some time but that falls under Vd, or Peak displacement volume, calculated by Vd = Sd·Xmax if I recall in the Thiele/Small parameters. If you use any type of "box" calculation program, it'll ask for this while calculating enclosure volume and a cut sheet for you.

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How does your 8" Woofer sound ?
You can see my Enclosure above, a little larger than suggested for the Pioneer shallow Mount 8"; I was going 10" but changed because of space available.

Thanks for your comments.



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I have a 8" woofer in our Excursion, its a JL Audio 8" woofer in a small wooden box built to fit in the rear cargo area where the factory woofer was. 
It sounds AMAZING for what it is...... Excursion has a large passenger cabin and the 8" woofer in sealed enclosure is still PLENTY of low end fill.... I did not install that or build that box it came with the truck. I have been very pleased with it.

In a Ranger cabin a single 8" or 10" or 12" can push some air and make plenty of bass.



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I have had no real experience with subs, mostly just buy one and put it in.
This time a used the Pioneer "What to buy Matrix" and instead of buying what they suggested, a 10" Sub, I got the 8"... mainly because it will be on the back wall of the Cab, between the seats and I just thought it was going to be too loud with the larger unit.  (Not sure if 10 to 8 inches can make a difference) !
Since I don't really want to be blown out of the cab with BASS, I should be good to go.

Also, you own an Excursion... can't find many of them around anymore.
Plowing in the Northeast, the Excursion gets more money than an F-350, but can't carry sand.
I think the Excursion is built on the F-350 Chassis !
Is yours a Diesel ?



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Front and Rear Bumpers by Custom 4x4 Fabrication, OK.
Working on more Mods, just need more time, longer days would work !
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And I have an 8" Bazooka w/ integrated 120 watt amp that has been sitting in a corner of my garage for over 20 years. It came in a Porsche 944S I had for a few years back in the 90's. It was a doctor's nooky machine that I picked up off a divorce sell for about half of what it was worth and used it for a daily commuter into downtown Atlanta for 3 years. The manual tranny was a pain in the afternoon but the in the AM rush I was pushing the limits. I have been waiting for another vehicle I can put this thumper in. The regular cab Ranger ain't it. BTW: I sold the 944s to a buddy that stripped it and tracked it in '99. I was lucky I didn't loose my DL when I had that car. It was stupid fast.



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I'm actually glad I went one smaller in Woofer size, not that 8" vs 10" is more or less better or worse, I made a guess based solely on speaker size and wattage.
The 10" enclosure, after modifications, fits well enough behind and in-between the seats, and I am making an adapter ring to put the 8" Sub in the 10" Enclosure.
I happen to have some 1/4" Teflon Sheet 18" x 36"... hoping it will work out ok and keep the vibration down.
I thought on the Bazooka type of Woofer but didn't like what I saw and according to Pioneer and their old Match Matric, the 8" shallow Sub will work the best with the amp and other speakers.
I am putting in new co-axile rears, coaxial mid-range in the front doors and tweeters on the dash, (already done) !
So that is six speakers and one Woofer speaker... seven speakers...  the wife is already complaining it will be too loud... good enough !

You mentioned the Reg Cab Ranger isn't where the Bazooka is going, any reasons... too powerful ?

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Space. It won't fit unless I pull the passenger seat all the way forward and strap it to the back of the seat back. The 6x8 Kicker's are more than enough right now



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I like some of the self powered woofers they sell these days, the old Infinity bass link, or a bazooka tube work great in a Ranger!
I have a $50 Pyle 10" self powered woofer under the dash of my polaris Rzr.... its marine duty, 10" woofer in a box with its own amp in a space the size of an old bass amp....it works awesome for what it is!



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Tony, ok on not fitting, the area behind the seats of a std cab is small to say the least.

Most of the self contained bass units are larger than the behind the seat space, that is why I want a Bass Speaker by itself and since I would be running an Amp for the other speakers why not let run the bass too.

The best Stereo Head Unit I ever listened to was a used unit that cost $20, can't beat low price and good tunes, but the funny thing is I never have ever had a Sub Woofer !   I don't know why, maybe the bass from the radios was enough... who knows, this new system will be a big jump for me... six speakers, and a Bass Unit.  Should be good... !

Back to the original thoughts... my Sub Enclosure doesn't need additional Filler, but the option is still open if the Bass isn't there.



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Also, you own an Excursion... can't find many of them around anymore.
Plowing in the Northeast, the Excursion gets more money than an F-350, but can't carry sand.
I think the Excursion is built on the F-350 Chassis !
Is yours a Diesel ?



ah the excursion
You see I have been fixing Rangers and explorers for many years. While conversing with my customers I listened to the vibe about the Ford diesel trucks. Everyone who had the 7.3 kept them for a long time....but when it was time to upgrade their fleets they went to the Ford dealers and signed their lives away for the 6.0 trucks. Whoops. More time at the dealer then on the road, so a few years of that and Ford came out with the 6.4......bigger whoops. We lost olot of Ford guys to Dodge in those years. Then finally they built the 6.7 powerstroke, yeah! They fixed it. So it goes something like this, the 444ci 7.3 pushrod diesel is a International engine....wicked good engine I might add. Ford wanted to build their own powerstroked, so they teamed up with international for the 6.oh... they had some issues. Now days the 6.0 has been around long enough for the aftermarket to come to the rescue and you can build a wicked wicked 6.0 powerstroke. Regardless of all that the 6.4 twin turbo was Ford first attempt at their own Powerstroke mid duty diesel.....6.4's have some issues. By the time they built the 6.7 they had alot of this sorted out, the 6.7 is a nice nice engine. 
My ears were open this whole time.
When it came time for me to step up into diesel trucks I was ready to stick with the 7.3
I am glad I did, I love them.
I am not afraid of the 6.0 powerstroke I would LOVE to have one of those but my commitments are already in place. The 6.0 can be built to get almost twice the mileage and make twice the power of a 7.3..........

We have 3ea 7.3 trucks here, my wife and I
My shop truck is my baby, 1997 F350 crew cab flatbed 4x4 7.3 turbo diesel 5 speed stick
I have built the snot out of this truck on a budget, learned the ins and outs of the 7.3 with this project
She is the shop truck that hauls all Explorers and Rangers...along with everything else back here.

I was lucky enough to trade my old shop truck, a 2001 Ford F250 V10 flatbed lariat (with 70K miles) straight across for a 01 7.3 Excursion 4x4. 
I have been building this into our family hauler rig ever since.
Yes I traded pinks for it. My old F250 is worth about $4200, the 7.3 Excursion Limited 4x4 is worth about $20K!

Then there is the van, we also picked up a 2001 E350 7.3 Chateau van with only 60K miles on it!! For $3500....yes 3500 because it has surface rust and alot of bondo

 HIjack:
The F350 is one of my daily drivers, I have intercooled it, installed many upgrades including turbo and plumbing, Swamps fuel injectors and tunes.
truck is a BEAST, had no issue hauling home a 10,000# bulldozer last year, 218K miles now
before, $3000 truck broke down on the way to my house, I towed it home for my stepson, he gave up on it, I bought it for $3000 and fell in love.
1997 F350 CCFB 4x4, 7.3, ZF5, 4407, dana 60, Sterling 10.25", 4.10 limited slip
Drove like CRAP when I got it, did not run (drank all of its own oil) barely would shift gears, did not hold the road, and had very little power. I was very worried I made the wrong choice for a shop truck


After about 2 years, some blood sweat tears and sleepless nights
Swamps injection, FMIC, reverse shackle kit, rebuilt everything and started to customize: heated and cooled seats, flatbed, suspension, 4 doors, etc etc.........
Now it handles the trailer like a dream, has GOBS of torque, runs like a new Ford and can hang with newer diesels on the open road



The Excursion is the family hauler, will be getting a upgraded turbo and rebuilt trans soon....220K miles now
I re did the suspension last summer, finally installed our 6" suspension and 37" tires :) Good highway gearing now!


The van is going to get a 4x4 TTB setup, 4wd conversion. We will also swap the body at the same time to get rid of the bondo wagon
had 60K miles on it when I bought it!! These engines are good for 500K+




I am keeping all 3 of these trucks forever, 21.9 liters of Awesome! The 7.3 turbo diesel is right up there with the 302....... reliable as they come and not to bad when you upgrade them either"

Our fleet:
2007 4.0 FJ cruiser (wife's daily)
1988 5.0 Bronco II (my daily)
1997 7.3 F350 (shop truck)
2001 7.3 Excursion (skoo bus)
2000 7.3 E350 (backup bus, airport shuttle, mobile mechanic machine)
Yes Excursion is based on the Superduty F250/350 chassis. the F350 is a full one ton truck before my upgrades, and the Van is full one ton van built at the cab and chassis factory where the ambulances are made



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410, if this is to me, I don't own one but always wanted one.
To me I think it is one of the better SUVs Ford has produced.

I stuck with my Ranger, Wife got rid of her Navajo, which I liked too, could of used a 5.0L !



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5" SuperLift, 33" x 12.50 x 15"
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