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Motorola controller
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 Posted: Sat Sep 21st, 2019 02:28 pm
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Im an A hole sorry for some reason I thought you put the 4.6 into a 95 bronco now I see it is a 72 EB!!!
My reading comprehension skills need some work. Anyways that is one sick 72!! (I was born in 73)

Okay so you are going to need the wiring for the t case do you have that?

what year shift motor are we going to use? is it a 1356 shift motor? (1356, 1354 and 4406 all use the same shift motor)

I have 96 FSB ESOF wiring diagrams and I have some motorolla box wiring diagrams (actually excel sheet)
but I have to be careful what I post because some of this info is top secret (friend of mine created it and asked I do not share)
So for your build here lets start from scratch, please answer the following:

1972 EB!! Wicked cool CHECK
4.6L with 4r70w wicked cool CHECK
BW1356e from 95 FSB CHECK
What shift motor? (year and make)
What year t case wiring? (or do you plan to scratch build)
Dash switch is 2006 F150 (if we can get it to work)
indicator lights are in the dash switch
2003 Ranger Motorolla box

I have my hand written moto box notes, I will scan them in this afternoon

We will make this work no problem, the motorolla box can be made to work in a pinto if needed, it is a simple system.
Your best bet is probably to try and use the 03 moto box, the 03 t case wiring, the 03 shift motor (1354) and a 03 dash switch (at least for starters)

Following me so far?

I love your 72!!!! That thing is wicked cool will be even more cool with ESOF!!

I have invited my friends Brett and Joe into this thread, Brett is the one who pioneered the motorola box wiring and he loves early broncos, mustangs and the like so I figured I would show them this thread.

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Thanks it’s been a pita but almost done. I’m using the stock motor (a new replacement) and the stock harness from the 1995 I’ve got the plugs and about 12” of wire lead for the controller and I have both switches one from the 2003 ranger and of course the 2006 f150 and the plugs with the same amount of leads. I have the wiring diagram for all 3 the 2003 ranger 1995 bronco and 2006 f150. The motor wires didn’t seem to change from the 95 to 03 but there’s a few other wires that don’t so I really appreciate the help I’m getting kinda burnt out but I can see the finish line.

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wicked good info there
Okay so you need to know basically where the wires on the moto box are supposed to go....just like you said in your first post LOL
Now I am up to speed let me see what I can do Ill dig up the wiring info



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see if this helps
2002 ranger 4x4cm pinout




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I have the pin out but I’m not sure about several of the connections the first connector #4 iso bus #12 boo is it power input to allow for low rang? #16 neutral safety from the range selector also I assume for low range will it be power or ground? The second connector #1 signal return from? #12 vss can I use the vss from the transfer case because I’m using a gps drive for the VHX cluster and if so does the vss on the transfer case need a power supply or is the output in like mili volts or something else. Those are the wires I don’t have connected and am assuming one or more is the reason for it not responding. Anyway thanks again for your help.

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#4 ISO bus goes directly from 4x4cm to the data link connector on obd2 port (so the scanner can talk to moto box and pull any 4x4 codes, diagnose 4x4cm)

#12 boo is brake pedal position switch input to 4x4cm, somply tap into your BOO or BPP wire, (red/lg on earlier fords, circui 810)

#16 NSS input from DTRS I believe it is a power through the DTRS switch but we can look it up. Circuit 463 rd/wh at older fords
This wire should go directly from the DTRS to your 4x4cm, there is a NSS wire at your 4r70w DTRS now very likely if not I can get you the pin number

#1 Circuit 359 SSR at pcm, sensor signal return from 4x4 dash switch to the PCM/GEM module on older fords  (grey with red on older fords)

#12 VSS usually at the GEM module on older fords, grey/black

When I say "older fords" I mean older then the 03 control module, like 96-01 Explorer, Ranger, etc

So for example the VSS and SSR wires would normally come from the GEM module on a 98 explorer. On your truck I am not sure but we can map out their circuits on the older trucks and that will give you a clue as how to wire them in. 

So your current engine computer does not have any vss feeds right? it is all gps? there is no speed sensor in the rear axle? wheel speed sensors?
The 4x4CM wants to see you are not moving before it will allow you to shift into 4low (below like 4mph or some crap) We might be able to just ground this wire but dont do that YET let me look it up where it would go on a 98 sploder......

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The #4 iso buss is currently a problem and possibly the #1 ssr as the operating system is eec iv pre obd2 and it’s from a Lincoln Mark VIII I have the wiring schematic from the processor that’s mainly the reason for needing to know what the exact function of those terminals to see what input or output I can use from my processor it does have a vss input for sure but I’m still wondering if I can use the vss from the 1356 transfer case since I believe in the 1995 it used it for the controller I’m just not sure what type of output it has and what input type the controller is using a can also try using a speed output from the gps drive but again I know there’s several different types of outputs because I had to match it for my cruze control. If the iso buss is an issue I wasn’t sure if there was a way to circumvent it’s well as the ssr. Thanks again I know this is a huge pain in the butt

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Bare with me as we think out loud here

VSS:
You should be able to use the vss from the 95 t case yes.
Use a 95-96 VSS speed sensor from a Explorer/Ranger/FSB it will work with the EECIV computer. BUT I think your VSS signal is already present to make your mark8 pcm happy.

You only need the signal for your 4x4cm since your speedo is GPS

Let me ask you this Does your Mark8/EECIV computer know you are moving? did you hook up the vss wires from the pcm to your GPS system?

If so the 4x4cm can use that same signal
In OBDI there is still a two wire vss...in and out from the pcm to the vss sensor. Grey and grey/black

The VSS sensor was present in trucks trans/tailhousing up until 98, in 95 they stopped using the cable to drive the speedometer but the vss signal still came from the driven gear on the output shaft.
Im guessing your GPS system gave you a vss signal to input into your mark8 pcm?
You can simply tap into that if so.


ISO:
THE ISO bus wire you can hook up or leave it unhooked, it is simply so the scanner can access the 4x4cm, I know I have never needed to pull codes or even talk to the 4x4cm
The wire goes directly from the 4x4cm to the obd2 port. It wont be missed if you do not have an OBD2 port.

SSR:
The sensor signal return wire is present on the Mark8/EECIV computer, it is the same wire that goes to many of the engines sensors, TPS, EGR, etc
Grey/red


This is not a huge pita, wiring is my favorite thing.
Right now for two days I have been trying to use a 97.5 PCM into a 2007 truck...you want to talk about wiring challenge, I am not sure I will sleep for the next week until I have a clear map.



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Hey thanks for the information I do have a vss signal to the computer from the 4r70w but it’s being used for shifting there is one on the axle or transfer case for the speedometer drive. The vss on the 1356 is built in to the output shaft i would like to use it for the controller because I’ve used both outputs already for the vhx and cruze I’m going to omit the iso and as far as signal return I’m now using a televirk controller I believe I know what I can use for it out of the controller. I’m going to try to mock it up this week and I’ll let you know what I get. Thanks for all your help again

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not a problem! This is how we get to this point, by building cool stuff and trying it out!

You can use the VSS on the tailhshaft of the 1356 for the 4x4cm for sure
But I bet it would also understand the signal that is driving the speedometer also, if you want to tap into that.
Tapping into the speedo signal is not going to interfere with the speedometer, one sensor can feed many modules.

let us know what you find out for sure! I live and breathe this stuff.
How many EB are running around with triton engines in them these days?

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