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10” Brake Swap??
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 Posted: Wed Jan 23rd, 2019 12:08 pm
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Hey everyone! So. When my dad and I originally built Tonto. We equipped him with a 7.5” Ford Rear Axle with 4.10s. While they move the 33s beautifully. It’s slower than molasses. 
I plan on upgrading to 35s with 15x12s. A little much for the 7.5 to handle. So I am doing what my dad should have originally done. Getting the 8.8. 

The only issue. The only one I’ve found with lower gearing is an 8.8 with 4.56 gears. Perfect right?

Well. They have 10” drums instead of 9”. 

Stupid question I’m sure. But would Bolting the axle in and running it be fine with the new brake upgrade?? 

Just making sure before I spend $825 on a complete axle.

Last edited on Wed Jan 23rd, 2019 12:08 pm by Ranger_Danger_



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 Posted: Wed Jan 23rd, 2019 07:00 pm
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You will be good with the 10" drums. But since your already swapping the axle why not ditch the drums for discs? You can snag all the brackets calipers pads and rotors from any 94-2004 mustang with the 7.5 or 8.8 axle both axles use the same brakes. The only mustang that is different is the cobra



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 Posted: Wed Jan 23rd, 2019 08:33 pm
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black06xlt wrote:
You will be good with the 10" drums. But since your already swapping the axle why not ditch the drums for discs? You can snag all the brackets calipers pads and rotors from any 94-2004 mustang with the 7.5 or 8.8 axle both axles use the same brakes. The only mustang that is different is the cobra
The only reason I won’t be switching to disc. None of the mustangs came with 4.56 or 4.88 gearing. It appears the only gearing that they offered was 3.73 I believe it was when I checked. And the price to regear was quite expensive. 
I found a 8.8, 10” Drum, 4.56 geared rear assembly for $840 with 60k miles. So I’ll probably do that and stick with drum. Ain’t had any problem with them.



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 Posted: Wed Jan 23rd, 2019 11:54 pm
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No no you mmisunderstood you get the brakes from the mustang and put them on a ranger axle



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 Posted: Thu Jan 24th, 2019 12:02 am
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When I did the axle change/gear change/lift... I went to 4.56 gears, my friends said 4.88 will get you better performance but I stuck to my guns and decided it would be better wit the 4.56s.   Well, if I did it again I just might go 4.88s; with 33" tires and 5-sp. it is good, but it could be a little better and I think the 4.88s would have done it.

Yes rpms would be up but the throttle response would be a little better, seat of the pants stuff !

But not enough to change thing around, front and rear, but something to think about, if I was starting again !

Sound like this should be a great truck when completed.

Let me know what your mileage is, I'm interested !

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 Posted: Thu Jan 24th, 2019 12:17 am
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Ranger_Danger_ wrote:
black06xlt wrote:

You will be good with the 10" drums. But since your already swapping the axle why not ditch the drums for discs? You can snag all the brackets calipers pads and rotors from any 94-2004 mustang with the 7.5 or 8.8 axle both axles use the same brakes. The only mustang that is different is the cobra
The only reason I won’t be switching to disc. None of the mustangs came with 4.56 or 4.88 gearing. It appears the only gearing that they offered was 3.73 I believe it was when I checked. And the price to regear was quite expensive. 
I found a 8.8, 10” Drum, 4.56 geared rear assembly for $840 with 60k miles. So I’ll probably do that and stick with drum. Ain’t had any problem with them.

That sounds a little high for a rear axle with 60K, can you see and inspect the axle before buying... ?
Spin it, feel for any roughness in the pinion turning with the Ring Gear, and check for a smoothness in the bearings both pinion and wheel bearings.
Open up the rear Cover and take a look at the gears, look for chips, or cracks in the gears or diff housing; if it is a posi, make sure you and a friend can't turn one wheel in a different directional than the other, could indicate something is wrong.
While the case is open, look at the gears, wipe a section down and look for a discoloration in the teeth, like a blue coloring on the gears but only in sections, could indicate over-heating of the gears, maybe to a point of taking the hardness out of the gears or adding too much hardness to them.   
Smell the oil, it shouldn't snell burnt, again could indicate higher than normal temperatures in the rear axle.
Find out what the vehicle was used for when the axle was in it, drag racing, or heavy off-loading... may need to rebuild the axle !

So many things can be wrong with a used axle... if the guy says it was just a DD, double check everything.

Don't mean to put a wrench on the works... but just check thing out.

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 Posted: Thu Jan 24th, 2019 06:12 pm
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Scrambler82 wrote:
When I did the axle change/gear change/lift... I went to 4.56 gears, my friends said 4.88 will get you better performance but I stuck to my guns and decided it would be better wit the 4.56s.   Well, if I did it again I just might go 4.88s; with 33" tires and 5-sp. it is good, but it could be a little better and I think the 4.88s would have done it.

Yes rpms would be up but the throttle response would be a little better, seat of the pants stuff !

But not enough to change thing around, front and rear, but something to think about, if I was starting again !

Sound like this should be a great truck when completed.

Let me know what your mileage is, I'm interested !

Ltr

i rolled over 145k the other day. He’s a good little truck. Lots of plans. Big plans. It’ll be built up for sure. I might try and wait for the 8.8 with 4.88 to come then. Just finding them it’s a pain. Everyone wants Em. Not just ranger people.



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 Posted: Fri Jan 25th, 2019 02:34 am
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Don't wait for a Ranger 8.8 rear axle, most Explorer 8.8 come with Posi and 31 Spline Axles AND disc Brakes, so IF you find one in the JY for a reasonable price, grab it.

The Explorer Axle needs modifying, the Spring Pads need to be either... cut off and reworded to the top of the axle tubes OR there is an adapter kit to use the existing mounts and add on a top mounting point.

Also, the Explorer Axles are a couple inches wider, not a bad thing for a Ranger !

Good Luck on your hunt, to me with what should out there in the JY, you should wait to buy until you find the axle you want... BUT, I for one do not think you will find a STOCK 8.8 with 4.88 gears.  
So if you find an Explorer Rear Axle with all the other goodies, i.e. 31 spline axles, disc brakes and posi, buy it ... and buy the gears separately and have them installed before installing axle housing assembly in the truck, also remember you need to replace the front diff gears with 4.88 also, 4x's need the same gears in the rear and front diffs.

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Hurst Shifter w/Longer Replacement Shift Handle with (Homemade) Mounting Adapter; 1.5" up x 1" back.
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 Posted: Fri Jan 25th, 2019 12:57 pm
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Scrambler82 wrote:
Don't wait for a Ranger 8.8 rear axle, most Explorer 8.8 come with Posi and 31 Spline Axles AND disc Brakes, so IF you find one in the JY for a reasonable price, grab it.

The Explorer Axle needs modifying, the Spring Pads need to be either... cut off and reworded to the top of the axle tubes OR there is an adapter kit to use the existing mounts and add on a top mounting point.

Also, the Explorer Axles are a couple inches wider, not a bad thing for a Ranger !

Good Luck on your hunt, to me with what should out there in the JY, you should wait to buy until you find the axle you want... BUT, I for one do not think you will find a STOCK 8.8 with 4.88 gears.  
So if you find an Explorer Rear Axle with all the other goodies, i.e. 31 spline axles, disc brakes and posi, buy it ... and buy the gears separately and have them installed before installing axle housing assembly in the truck, also remember you need to replace the front diff gears with 4.88 also, 4x's need the same gears in the rear and front diffs.

Ltr

Lucky for me. Truck is 2wd. So don’t gotta worry bout front diff gearing. 😂



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Sorry didn't read your signature.

Why do you want to run the 33" or 35" tires.

Im thinking..., is there a lift kit out thee for a 2x ?

Good Luck with the hunt !



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5" SuperLift, 33" x 12.50 x 15" BFG ATs,
Hurst Shifter w/Longer Replacement Shift Handle with (Homemade) Mounting Adapter; 1.5" up x 1" back.
Backrack mod'd to fit Steppie, Front and Rear Bumpers by Custom 4x4 Fabrication, OK.
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I’m currently lifted 7” with blocks and spindles. I have 33s right now. I am wanting to upgrade to 35s. But to do it smart instead of just buying my wheels and tires. I am going to do the axle swap so it will be better for the truck in the long run.



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Ranger_Danger_ wrote:
I’m currently lifted 7” with blocks and spindles. I have 33s right now. I am wanting to upgrade to 35s. But to do it smart instead of just buying my wheels and tires. I am going to do the axle swap so it will be better for the truck in the long run.
Ok on the 7" lift, sound good.
Think on the Explorer Axle, again, it has what you need, except a little mod'g to install, and there is a kit if you don't want to weld on spring pads.

Don't forget the pictures !



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5" SuperLift, 33" x 12.50 x 15" BFG ATs,
Hurst Shifter w/Longer Replacement Shift Handle with (Homemade) Mounting Adapter; 1.5" up x 1" back.
Backrack mod'd to fit Steppie, Front and Rear Bumpers by Custom 4x4 Fabrication, OK.
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