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"The Trump administration had urged the justices to side with South Dakota."

Just as online shopping changed the way brick and mortar stores conducted business, the online experience of shopping to get out if paying a lil bit of taxes is going to change how shopping is done online some too.

Supreme Court clears way for states to collect online sales tax – Las Vegas Review-Journal
https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/Supreme-Court-clears-way-for-states-to-collect-online-sales-tax/



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This had to happen as the states are set to lose a lot of mula as shopping continues to go to the online retailers. Sucks, but it is expensive to live in a Socialist run country.

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On line retail should have been taxable from the beginning, probably at the state percentage where the item is being shipped to. If it had been then nobody would be batting an eye right now.

And if you are referring to the USA as a socialist country you are entitled to your opinion but I do not share it.



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I see this as a win for State's rights. A concept that has been stepped on since 1861.

I don't think it should be the receiving state that collects the taxes. It should be the state where the product is shipped from. That is where the sale originated.

An example is a gun parts supplier in north Chicago. They cannot stock or sale a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds. It is a local ordinance. This limits the business. All sales from this business should be collecting local sales tax for every transaction - local laws.



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That makes more sense.



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I see this as a win for State's rights. A concept that has been stepped on since 1861.

I don't think it should be the receiving state that collects the taxes. It should be the state where the product is shipped from. That is where the sale originated.

An example is a gun parts supplier in north Chicago. They cannot stock or sale a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds. It is a local ordinance. This limits the business. All sales from this business should be collecting local sales tax for every transaction - local laws.

So.... from the article itself and

" The cases the court overturned said that if a business was shipping a product to a state where it didn't have a physical presence such as a warehouse or office, the business didn't have to collect the state's sales tax. Customers were generally supposed to pay the tax to the state themselves if they don't get charged it, but the vast majority didn't."


" Consumers May Be Required to Report and Pay Sales or Use Taxes
For consumers that order tax-free items online, but live in states that charge a sales tax, they are technically required to report that purchase to their state tax agency and pay the sales tax directly to the agency. When consumers are required to do so, it is often called a "use" tax.
The sole difference between a sales tax and a use tax is the person that ends up giving the money to the state government.

When it is a sales tax, the retailer is the one handing over the money, while a use tax is handed over directly by the consumer. However, collecting use taxes on small purchases often costs more than simply letting the consumer not pay the use tax. Instead, state tax agencies try to focus more on collecting use taxes for big ticket items that are purchased online with no sales tax, such as cars and boats.

Be aware, there are a number of states that have stepped up their enforcement of their use tax laws and are now trying to make their state residents pay the taxes that should be paid."

Source: Findlaw 


"But just because the retailer doesn't collect the sales tax doesn't mean the purchase isn't subject to tax.  Purchases made on line aren't automatically exempt from tax.  If the retailer does not collect the sales tax, the purchaser has the obligation to pay the use tax directly to the state where the property is used as long as the item is taxable.

Use tax is defined as a tax on the storage, use, or consumption of a taxable item or service on which no sales tax has been paid. Use tax is a complimentary tax to the sales tax and does not apply if sales tax was charged."

Source: Sales Tax Institute 


So curious because even for myself Internet purchasing was fundamentally attractive because I myself never paid a tax on any items that weren't taxed. Some Amazon items had been but so I am curious as to how many other people knowingly defrauded their own STATE on purchases and either did not pay taxes on such items or can i get a show of hands for all of you pillars of the community? Come on now.. Whose paid their out of state sales taxes?

Don't be shy...

OK, now ya'll just being obstinate.. put your damn hands up if you're the model citizen!

yeaaaaaa... that's what I thought. LOL



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I am not a model citizen. Never was, just can't be.

Jamman, the comment about the Socialist country was something a friend of mine once said and it has stuck with me. We are not Socialist yet, and I think the Gen X and later are going the Marxist route, and eventually Communism, not Socialism.

Go to the cpusa.org and poke around the site. Soon you will realize that the Democrat party is the home of the movement and the voices heard from their leadership echoes the vision of the Communist Party of America. It is a real deal thing and is threatening our way of living and working.

Having been a retailer for over 30 years I always felt the internet retailers had an unfair advantage for not charging sales tax. It looks like things are taking a change.

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This is why online buying took off. No Taxes. This is why retail store are closing no taxes. I like going to the retail store, I like to see and feel what I'am buying. Next will be no more free shipping. But if it did say free ship, you can bet it will be added to the price and if you look close that happens now. It wouldn't surprise me if next you had to pay taxes from the state it was shipped from and where its shipped too.

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Personally I don't have a huge issue with this.  My issue is more with taxation in general.

I like the convenience of online shopping, but some things just need to be seen, touched, or maybe even tried on before buying.  Best Buy complained about people coming in to see electronic equipment, then leaving and buying through Amazon.  Of course the fact that they only employ kids that are more interested in their phones than customers has NOTHING to do with that scenario...

I don't think double taxation will happen...

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NoPower wrote:
This is why online buying took off. No Taxes. This is why retail store are closing no taxes. I like going to the retail store, I like to see and feel what I'am buying. Next will be no more free shipping. But if it did say free ship, you can bet it will be added to the price and if you look close that happens now. It wouldn't surprise me if next you had to pay taxes from the state it was shipped from and where its shipped too.

In the long standing of this, look into the "Amazon ACT" that is why this is being implemented with even more enforcement. Personally I don't think it should be MY job to collect YOUR States taxes as an ambassador to [your] the STATE. All the monkey's and you infinite STATE benefits and Taxpayer funded jobs can get off your asses and muster your own manpower to enforce your Statutes. Why make your problems my problems when your own residents aren't being truthful or honest in reporting such items of question? ISN'T THAT their responsibility?  Wheres the Accountability of your "Citizens" in your body of politic?

And yes, you can bet your wrinkled tooshie that shipping is packed into the price and PADDED at that to make thing seem more attractive in sales and watching the human behaviors of it all is rather fascinating in its own right.. But mass majority of people don't get it even when you lay it out for them which is what makes me roll my eyes when I hear people say or ask about "FREE shipping". Personally i like working with manufactures who control their own pricing as it evens the playing field across all vendors.


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Personally I don't have a huge issue with this.  My issue is more with taxation in general.

I like the convenience of online shopping, but some things just need to be seen, touched, or maybe even tried on before buying.  Best Buy complained about people coming in to see electronic equipment, then leaving and buying through Amazon.  Of course the fact that they only employ kids that are more interested in their phones than customers has NOTHING to do with that scenario...

I don't think double taxation will happen...


I feel someone is reading, has read, or just understands US Title 26 ;)

Generally I prefer to support locally and do so in most cases but the business model of today doesnt allow for that anymore to survive in business.



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I've been paying sales tax for some Amazon items for a while now. I also have to check a box on my New York State income tax return that says I buy stuff online. They add a small fee to cover the sales tax that I didn't pay.



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i guess this could have been worse. seems like a few years ago they wanted to charge sales taxes in the state items are sold as well as the states where items were shipped to.

gonna be hard to police that for places like amazon who have multiple shipping centers in multiple states.

not sure how they think they're gonna get taxes from all the chinese sellers on ebay.



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Big_John wrote:
I've been paying sales tax for some Amazon items for a while now. I also have to check a box on my New York State income tax return that says I buy stuff online. They add a small fee to cover the sales tax that I didn't pay.
So do you end up itemizing those specific invoices in your taxes? How do they determine said "small fee"?



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I've been paying sales tax for some Amazon items for a while now. I also have to check a box on my New York State income tax return that says I buy stuff online. They add a small fee to cover the sales tax that I didn't pay.
So do you end up itemizing those specific invoices in your taxes? How do they determine said "small fee"?

You have to itemize any individual purchase over $1000 that was bought online. Anything else can be itemized or you can file and the fee is based on your income. They start at $11 for incomes under $15k and at over $200k, it's .058% of your income or $250 which ever is less. 

https://www.tax.ny.gov/pdf/current_forms/it/it201i.pdf Page 26 if you are really curious. 

Given the amount of stuff that I buy online, the fee is pretty small.

I've gotten so that I really hate doing any shopping at the brick and mortar stores. It's often cheaper and more convenient for me to order whatever I need online. Let's face it, personalized service and product knowledge has been eliminated from the shopping experience. Let's call it the Walmart business model. Rude and indifferent employees are the norm rather than the exception. They have no idea what they are selling and really don't care one way or another.  I can go on Amazon, read a decent description of what I want to buy, compare prices, read reviews etc. and have the item on my doorstep within two days.



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I've been paying sales tax for some Amazon items for a while now. I also have to check a box on my New York State income tax return that says I buy stuff online. They add a small fee to cover the sales tax that I didn't pay.
So do you end up itemizing those specific invoices in your taxes? How do they determine said "small fee"?


I've gotten so that I really hate doing any shopping at the brick and mortar stores. It's often cheaper and more convenient for me to order whatever I need online. Let's face it, personalized service and product knowledge has been eliminated from the shopping experience. Let's call it the Walmart business model. Rude and indifferent employees are the norm rather than the exception. They have no idea what they are selling and really don't care one way or another.  I can go on Amazon, read a decent description of what I want to buy, compare prices, read reviews etc. and have the item on my doorstep within two days.

Thus here lies the problem in of itself that I've seen cause John, you aren't alone in that matter at all. You've certainly got a plethora of issues that compile here.

Few companies offer any real incentive beyond offering you a paycheck to be a body on a floor if you will. Few can prevail let alone handle a performance related job where your remaining on the schedule is perpetuated via your dedication to perform and not just enough to get by either. The social engineering of removing commission based sales has stagnated the workforce in creativity and drive to "be better". Another side effect of what happens when everyone has to be equal no matter what. All bullshit..! There's enough European countries to prove that which always drives the the saying certain political groups keep saying.. " OH we should be like this euro country or that one.." NO, they should be more like what America used to be before it became a service oriented country. No sense of pride in some of these F*@%#r's...

At the same time there is the value of tangible communication that has been circling the drain for some time now. The easily offended and mentally taxed with instant gratification of todays world doesnt help any either.



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And like Christ on the 3rd day.. This topic has risen from the dead...!


So, pressures are mounting up in the retail world.. I randomly still get copies of things to my sons email which he needs to turn that off finally.. But


We are writing to inform you that PlayStationâ„¢Store, PlayStationâ„¢Vue, PlayStation®Plus, PlayStationâ„¢Now, and PlayStation®Music, will start collecting sales tax in your state starting October 1, 2018. The sales tax charged on each order is determined by your state, county and city tax rates.

For additional information please visit: https://support.us.playstation.com/articles/en_US/KC_Article/PlayStation-Store-Sales-Tax-Collection

Thank you,
PlayStation



I wouldn't put it past this to extend to Netflix, Amazon Prime, Hulu or other items due to the fact they could possibly prove two-way communication between devices much like cell phones; pagers back in the day were exempt due to being only a 1 way communication from devices.

In other news... all of those eager to buying due to "FREE shipping" - Some newsflash.. IT AINT. If its a 100% American made product the shipping is compounded into the price, which means your still paying for it, they lied about it, and ya still bought it from a liar.. imagine what they may be stealing from you as a company as a whole since the worlds on paranoia if an item doesn't reach your porch within 4 hrs of ordering it.

And if its not an American made product and it says FREE shipping - its a a guaranteed Chinese [knockoff of sorts] product - Proof?


A lot of people think that Chinese government subsidizes parcels to stimulate it's economy. This statement is completely wrong. Chinese government doesn't subsidize their post office. The thing is that the Universal Postal Union (UPU) establishes the rates for what it calls “terminal dues”. Terminal dues are the fees which a country can charge another country for delivering incoming mail. The formula used to calculate terminal dues is quite complex, but they set the lower prices for so called “transitional” countries and actual costs are compensated by “developed” countries. Therefore it is more expensive to send goods from US to China than vise versa. China will likely be transitioned in 2016 into a category for more developed nations, who generally pay higher terminal dues and therefore the price of online Chinese goods can jump.

Anyway currently worldwide customers can enjoy Chinese free shipping (in other words very cheap shipping) and that is why shipping from China is free.


So in reality, a couple decades ago, the UPU had China setup as a 3rd world country. In 17 years they have done what America has done in 50 years of its own industrial revolution and that includes all the bad things too, like a failing economy and their money becoming worth less due to mass printing.. [sound familiar?] So the UPU set up China to pay very little to ship out of the country in order to develop the country and the UPU has not yet, despite talks of it happening in 2016. It has NOT reset the Postal Service to include them as a internationally recognized 1st world country like many.

Now again, didint vote for the man but Trumps new tariffs on all things are likely going to change cost and make the UPU take a closer look at the "Transitional" Status of China. Eventually we will see not only those companies come back to the U.S. to escape the Tariffs but you may see Free Shipping go away someday.



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