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I raised my children to understand that no one in the USA owns property. Don't pay property taxes and see what happens. Don't pay income tax and see what happens. Don't license your vehicle and drive on public roads and see what happens.
There is no question we live in a police state, however there are worse police states to live in such as the countries in Europe or Russia. Eventually the powerful will get the USA there, but hopefully it happens long after I am dead.

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I raised my children to understand that no one in the USA owns property. Don't pay property taxes and see what happens. Don't pay income tax and see what happens. Don't license your vehicle and drive on public roads and see what happens.
There is no question we live in a police state, however there are worse police states to live in such as the countries in Europe or Russia. Eventually the powerful will get the USA there, but hopefully it happens long after I am dead.


[rant= They've gone to great lengths in this country to make sure you don't own property for a reason.. All rights are derived from property, if you never owned yourself in another part of the world you would understand this more than anyone else; As a "slave" you have no rights, you get or have privileges. A good and full understanding of the language used and written in the 13'th [not the original 13th BTW] and 14th amendments you clearly get an understanding of this.

People here and elsewhere will laugh because I use the word "slave" in as much modern times.. reality is the best slave is one who doesnt know they are a slave. ask ANYONE to explain why it is they go to work 32-75 hrs a week, to work for someone else, and make them rich rather than themselves? few will answer, most will ponder it and you can read it in their eyes... its because the indoctrination of their parents, and their parents parents taught them thats the way. But its called debt slavery. The course of this nation was taking a turn towards a direction thats been taking too long over the last half a century plus and like a big-ass aircraft carrier at sea, it was taking a 2 mile left hand turn too slowly and in early 2000 they kicked it up a few notches and escalated things to a ridiculous pace. They had to in order to take away the rights of the people which are now really starting to wake up.

Previous to just before the 1900's they found out that if you controlled just 21 of the largest Newspapers of the time you could easily sway and control what people did, what or who they liked - or not, voted for, bought, lived, had more children or less, where they stood politically/emotionally, if they would rally for war or rescind from it. Sound familiar? Its no scientific-wild-ass-guess as to what happened when radio came about, then tel-a-vision, cable tel-a-vision, Satellite radio and even more digital Tel-a-vision. Everyone on here but a select few I guarantee you pays $75 or more for   TV. Do you really think that the progressive stance on digital television was exclusive for everyone to have better TV connectivity? Or do you think its intent was to shadow that thought with the fact the Media is going to make you PAY to believe the  -storms they spew.. and sad to say it like it is but you all do [generalization]. Theres a reason I havent watched TV in 10-12 years now. Id rather read history and law books.

Who was it? Malcom X who said - "The media is the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses"

If you dont own any property you can't acquire real wealth per se`.. Nearly everything is based upon credit, extended credit (cash), or leased or rented in some way. its not yours as you indicated above, stop paying property tax even on a paid off home and watch how fast they take it and you'll receive NO compensation. THEY will STEAL it from you as if it was never yours. Get a legal dictionary, like the kind used in the courts. If you dont have a grasp on what and how trespass or contracts work you'll have your ass handed to you every time. The word "registration", if you get into the etymology of the word it derives from the word 'regis' which means "from the king". Going through forward either in Blacks law or Bouvier law and you'll note that whomever is giving you the registration is the true owner of said property. So put that thought into your mind next time you pay for tags for a vehicle not being used for commerce or hire. You don't own that car, the State you live and register it in does. Why do you think they're all HOT on you transferring registrations and licenses?

Some folks on here will yuk it up, criticize and condemn me even for things they don't understand themselves yet cant explain either. I'll point it out in the .Gov website under the State code [not law btw] and show people the [so called] law in black and white.. yet I'll be the looney tunes guy in the end. Why? cause they cant read, the comprehension skills have faded with the times and butchering of language here in the States. Chris being in the UK may be the one person on this forum to date that can say he knows PROPER English and its quite different from good ole' boy USA.

I'm still working and not nearly at a fast enough pace despite downloading the entire new to here Vehicle Code to start it. But because California is my home state and I lived there last. I haven't registered my truck since late of 2014, unregistered my vehicle, sent Sacramento DMV my plate back too. Until a State can show me a "law" that says I have to.. well unless this country really takes a total flush in the toilet, they can't and won't. Yea, I risk being hassled, but I know my laws and rights, and understand what Statutory codes are too.

Do you honestly and wholeheartedly believe that ANY corporation or business can make you under the threat of violence and or coercion become a customer or buy their goods and services?

Keep in mind there are actual "laws" stating not but yet... here; I'll let you take in their [California] CVC Statutes which read as follows:


CVC Section 21052
The provisions of this code applicable to the drivers of vehicles upon the highways apply to the drivers of all vehicles while engaged in the course of employment by this State, any political subdivision thereof, any municipal corporation, or any district, including authorized emergency vehicles subject to those exemptions granted such authorized emergency vehicles in this code.

CVC 260.
(a) A "commercial vehicle" is a motor vehicle of a type required to be registered under this code used or maintained for the transportation of persons for hire, compensation, or profit or designed, used, or maintained primarily for the transportation of property.
(b) Passenger vehicles and house cars that are not used for the transportation of persons for hire, compensation, or profit are not commercial vehicles. This subdivision shall not apply to Chapter 4 (commencing with Section 6700) of Division 3.

CVC 17460
The acceptance or retention by a resident of this state of a driver's license issued pursuant to the provisions of this code, shall constitute the consent of the person that service of summons may be made upon him within or without this state, whether or not he is then a resident of this state, in any action brought in the courts of this state upon a cause of action arising in this state out of his operation of a motor vehicle anywhere within this state.

CVC 17459
The acceptance by a resident of this state of a certificate of ownership or a certificate of registration of any motor vehicle or any renewal thereof, issued under the provisions of this code, shall constitute the consent by the person that service of summons may be made upon him within or without this state, whether or not he is then a resident of this state, in any action brought in the courts of this state upon a cause of action arising in this state out of the ownership or operation of the vehicle.



I'll let you and others read a bit of that before I come back and explain it further in detail. Watch the haters come out of the wood work, at worst they'll say nothing to instigate it further nor take any NEW information to consider, look up for themselves, or god forbid -- throw a 4ft spanner wrench into their precious paradigms and have to admit living in a lie all their damn lives.

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Chris being in the UK may be the one person on this forum to date that can say he knows PROPER English and its quite different from good ole' boy USA.
Actually it is pretty well impossible to define "proper" English.


Coming from the south east of the UK I guess I speak what used to be called BBC English, but these days, every dialect under the sun can be heard over the airwaves, some of which I can hardly understand!

In some ways American English has retained some of the old English words which have fallen out of use in the UK - "gotten" is an example, from middle English - we mostly abandoned it by the 18th century in favour of "got" but it has survived in the US - we still use it in phrases like "ill gotten gains".

Language is constantly changing but, at the end of the day, as long as people understand what is meant, it doesn't really matter.

What is rattling my bars at the moment is the insidious infiltration of American adverts on to UK tv - nearly all the car adverts show left hand drive cars carrying US plates, US pronunciation is creeping in to adverts too - with long vowels being used where we usually use a short vowel.

In fact, way too much TV  is dumbed down these days - there are precious few good programmes....

Legal jargon is a whole different ballgame - deliberately written so that only lawyers can understand it and so convoluted to try to be precise that it fails both to achieve that as well as being impossible to comprehend - it makes loads of cash for the lawyers though!

Don't want to pay property tax?  Do as some guy has done in NY city - convert a dumpster into a house - it ain't big but it is free as it isn't recognised as a house! Don't want to pay road taxes? buy a horse! Don't want to pay taxes? don't earn cash - everyone has a choice but if you make choices that bind you into society then expect to have to contribute to that society.



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I am not a student of law, nor am I particularly bright, however I am willing to guess that case law and decisions made in the courts that support vehicle registration will be used to punish those that drive unregistered vehicles on public roads. Now, I bought a truck in December and did not transfer the title until the end of February. The guy at the DMV was surprised. He became inquisitive when I didn't order a plate to go with the title. Didn't need the plate quite yet, but Michigan has a 90 day title transfer policy so I got the title, and just a few weeks ago got the plate.

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I would think one thing the authorities might bring up is that by not paying registration fees, you are not helping support road maintenance and upkeep.

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Chris, your rught, 5he words you and the rest if us would use in normal conversation do NOT have the same meanings in a courtroom, its true. Attorneys go to learn legalese not law.. does anyone even understand why you are given the advice e to hire an attorney and why it's not a good idea to self represent yourself I  court? Do you know what and where the BAR association is?

It stands for British Accreditation Regency it means that all lawyers, even in the US, pledge allegiance to Britain and are under the rule of the Queen. Look it up.. you and others will be quick to stammer in denial that we aren't a British colony and under Roman Catholic law but yet we are. History, law, contracts, trespass, among current and future events are like the branches of a willow tree.. and few understand or follow beyond the 2-3 branches in direct focus and everything is so far more involved amd intertwined it's mind numbing. Some get it, most don't even want to talk about it or try.


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I am not a student of law, nor am I particularly bright, however I am willing to guess that case law and decisions made in the courts that support vehicle registration will be used to punish those that drive unregistered vehicles on public roads. Now, I bought a truck in December and did not transfer the title until the end of February. The guy at the DMV was surprised. He became inquisitive when I didn't order a plate to go with the title. Didn't need the plate quite yet, but Michigan has a 90 day title transfer policy so I got the title, and just a few weeks ago got the
Lived in South eastern Mich for years and year.. quite familiar with Secretary of state and the bored as policy enforcement agents. I'd like to say I respect the Wayne County Sheriffs but.. the police agencies out there vs agencies out west are far different in demeanor and professionalism, sometimes rarely I've seen it flipped but not enough to count. I've got family there, I just Downloaded the entire Michigan Vehicle Code.. it may take me a bit but I will pick it apart for you and all using their law as "gospel" and show you that there is no law.

The Secretary of state /DMV are "private" businesses. My above comments of forcing you to be a customer is legal because......? They use the iconic visualization that they are associated with the Goverment?  Yet your federal law, which trumps state laws and all have to remain constitutional both on the State level which most often mirrors the Federal. Keep in mind neither of which are your guarantee of rights, it's a reminder to the government as to THEIR limitations which they violate repeatedly min after min and day after day. Few people are so far behind that they don't even know what's being done to them. They just roll with it because that's just the way things are... noooo oooohhhh educate yourself and you'll see [Generalization].



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I would think one thing the authorities might bring up is that by not paying registration fees, you are not helping support road maintenance and upkeep.
Problem with that is, it doesn't go towards that at all. Road taxes are paid through the gas pumps. Want to pay less taxes? Stop trying to keep up with traffic just to fill up more often. California just bumped up its gas taxes an additional al $1.47 which will be on top of the general rise and fall of gas prices. 2011, premium fuel was $4.99-5.29 a gal. Funny thing is. California doesn't import any oil or fuel within its borders because they have and drill their own and they charge a premium for it. Why do they get it.. two reasons. 1. You'll never get enough people to just boycott not going to work, not coming to open their stores, not complying with the game.  2. The masses of people are stupid enough that if gas went up to $10 overnight, they'd still pay for it for reasons of #1. How obedient and dedicated to the system we all are. Amazing how we fund our own demises amd still cling on to the lies we've been taught because we would so much rather embrace the lies and wretchedness of reality because it's familiar to us than sort through it all and put some real work in to stand our own ground and change our opinions based upon new information given... who says indoctrination doesn't work? Public schools and college's alike or laboratories of a softened version of a Spanish Inquisition wrapped in pretty colors and fun idioms.

California also this last 6 months ago raised the cost of registration for vehicles between $25 and $150 on average. But some people's cars are $600 to register or more and it's yearly or bi-yearly. 36 million people x let's say even $2500 new and $105000 used cars over 4 yrs old.. fathom that. California was $6 billion dollars over their projected budget of intake taxes wise. Do you think at any time they told their residents "no, no thank you.. we collected all that we needed. Keep it"..? Government only creates money one of two ways. Taxes the people for it or prints it into existence.

Overall, doesn't matter the state you're in they all operate on baseline-budgeting, they misuse and pilfer different funds for misappropriation of funds all the time. And that's why the currencies we all do pay in excise taxes daily don't go where they were originally allocated for. You've got some smart beaurocrats out there, including policy enforcers and you got some dumb ones who do bare minimums at best. Few stand by their oaths or take it with the wrong damn hand to begin with. Don't let the suits, uniforms, or the badges fool you.

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Do you know what and where the BAR association is?
Actually yes I do - my father was in the legal profession and many years ago I actually looked into becoming a barrister (but ended up being a sort of policeman)

However, BAR is NOT an acronym, although sometimes capitalised, it is a word and the Bar Council or Bar Association as it is sometimes called is the body that oversees the recruitment, training and regulation of Barristers in the UK - the Law Society does the same for Solicitors.

The "bar" is just part of the courtroom - that part reserved for the lawyers and officers of the court and from which the public is excluded - hence "barrister" is derived from practicing "at the bar".  In the past there were actually physical bars on the top of the walls surrounding the central area and I have no doubt that barristers may well have leant on them while addressing the jury. They still exist in some places -



More generally it is just furniture that bars the way and separates the public from the lawyers.

And before anyone remarks that they practice at the alcoholic version of the bar - yes they do and the bar in a bar room has exactly the same purpose - it separates the public from the bar staff.



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I would think one thing the authorities might bring up is that by not paying registration fees, you are not helping support road maintenance and upkeep.
Problem with that is, it doesn't go towards that at all. Road taxes are paid through the gas pumps. Want to pay less taxes? Stop trying to keep up with traffic just to fill up more often. California just bumped up its gas taxes an additional al $1.47 which will be on top of the general rise and fall of gas prices. 2011, premium fuel was $4.99-5.29 a gal. Funny thing is. California doesn't import any oil or fuel within its borders because they have and drill their own and they charge a premium for it. Why do they get it.. two reasons. 1. You'll never get enough people to just boycott not going to work, not coming to open their stores, not complying with the game.  2. The masses of people are stupid enough that if gas went up to $10 overnight, they'd still pay for it for reasons of #1. How obedient and dedicated to the system we all are. Amazing how we fund our own demises amd still cling on to the lies we've been taught because we would so much rather embrace the lies and wretchedness of reality because it's familiar to us than sort through it all and put some real work in to stand our own ground and change our opinions based upon new information given... who says indoctrination doesn't work? Public schools and college's alike or laboratories of a softened version of a Spanish Inquisition wrapped in pretty colors and fun idioms.

This is true.  The registration fees are intended to go to this.  And yes it does get spent in other ways sometimes more than not.  It is pretty common to bump the gas taxes.  Cars are more fuel efficient, less gas purchased, less tax revenue raised.  We have the same issue with water.  We have a drought, we conserve, use less, and then Denver Water complains that they have less money.  Throw on top of this electric cars not paying gas tax at all, and you get the push to keep track of actual miles driven and charge for that.

No people will not boycott going to work.  Most people will not intentional bankrupt themselves.  They will pay higher prices because their decisions have put them on a path that precludes making no money so they can buy food, cable TV, internet, keep a roof over their heads.  Decisions that you may not agree with, but not everybody is 'stupid' for living their life in a way that is different from what you have chosen.  


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I would think one thing the authorities might bring up is that by not paying registration fees, you are not helping support road maintenance and upkeep.

California also this last 6 months ago raised the cost of registration for vehicles between $25 and $150 on average. But some people's cars are $600 to register or more and it's yearly or bi-yearly. 36 million people x let's say even $2500 new and $105000 used cars over 4 yrs old.. fathom that. California was $6 billion dollars over their projected budget of intake taxes wise. Do you think at any time they told their residents "no, no thank you.. we collected all that we needed. Keep it"..? Government only creates money one of two ways. Taxes the people for it or prints it into existence.

Overall, doesn't matter the state you're in they all operate on baseline-budgeting, they misuse and pilfer different funds for misappropriation of funds all the time. And that's why the currencies we all do pay in excise taxes daily don't go where they were originally allocated for. You've got some smart beaurocrats out there, including policy enforcers and you got some dumb ones who do bare minimums at best. Few stand by their oaths or take it with the wrong damn hand to begin with. Don't let the suits, uniforms, or the badges fool you.


Here we have a law that forbids new taxes without specific voter approval.  Called TABOR.  So they add 'fees' to vehicle registrations.  Same thing, different name, same result.  But Kalifornia didn't 'print money into existence'.  The Fed will do that, not at a state level.  We have gotten money from budget surpluses in the past, don't remember the specifics right now.

The whole 'I am woke while you are idiots and slaves' thing wears thin at times though.

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"I am woke while you are idiots and slaves' thing wears thin at times though."

It's meant as a generalization not personally to those identify with what I'm saying or think. I'll have to elaborate more after work to clear up what I mean.



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Ah yes, baseline budgeting. An evil twist by government employees to keep the pipeline filled with monies without a care in the world. Spend to their hearts content, and make sure all of it is spent so that next year they get the same amount and more! Very important we keep the spending going at the same levels, never cut spending!

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When seconds count this is what you get (in one jurisdiction).......

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/21/body-camera-footage-shows-police-never-got-out-cruiser-to-check-for-ohio-teen-crushed-by-minivan-seat.html



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When seconds count this is what you get (in one jurisdiction).......

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/21/body-camera-footage-shows-police-never-got-out-cruiser-to-check-for-ohio-teen-crushed-by-minivan-seat.html

That's terrible,somebody needs to get in trouble for that.



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Unfortunately we have several attorneys in the family and I asked 2 of them about the vehicle codes and licensing. Both of them agreed that the written law has nothing to do with the INTERPRETED law. The interpretation and subsequent court rulings are the law, not the written code. Regardless of how a code or law is written, it is how it has been interpreted and the interpretation used to render rulings that counts.

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Unfortunately we have several attorneys in the family and I asked 2 of them about the vehicle codes and licensing. Both of them agreed that the written law has nothing to do with the INTERPRETED law. The interpretation and subsequent court rulings are the law, not the written code. Regardless of how a code or law is written, it is how it has been interpreted and the interpretation used to render rulings that counts.
What is unfortunate is that you would be hard pressed to find an "Attorney" willing to sue or go after one of his own and they don't go to law school to necessarily learn the law but to learn legalese.

Take note of the words you or they used, language is everything ESPECIALLY in a court. You "asked them about the vehicle codes and licensing" and their replies were written law has nothing to do with INTERPRETED law.

Meaning law is law and STATUTORY CODE is not law, it's only interpreted as law, so long as you believe it is law. Look at contract law legal dictionaries as I mention all the time. If LAW was the same as a Statute, a code, a ordinance, a rule, or an ACT.. they would all be described as law only, and have the same definition. To use 7 different words with 7 different definitions and then go onto say they all mean the same thing is preposterous if not insanely idiotic. There is a reason why those words are the words used in legislative and bureaucratic propaganda.

The mind fucker of it all is what they plainly said is the way it's interpreted... okay so then where does ignorance of the law come into play if yours, mine, 10,000 other people's and your two attorney family members interpretation of a law or laws is different. Lawyers and attorneys talk double speak. It's why political people say something while saying nothing at all or meaning nothing at all.

Attorney comes from a french word Attorn. It means to enter into a tournament or to turn over something. Most people have lost the meaning of words.

I think I've explained this before. What's a ticket? A ticket is an invite. If you want to see a show, a play, get on a plane, see a ball game.. you need a invite right? A ticket is needed.

Now what's traffic or trafficking? If you get busted for drug "trafficking" you're in trouble for the sale and movement of drugs. Human trafficking, same thing..

So when you get a traffic-ticket.. what's that say to you?

If you didnt put together the thought someones going to invite [ticket] you to a game [court] and make money on your ass.. well

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I also have a couple of lawyers in my extended family. One runs the other direction every time he sees me because he knows I will mess him up because of the way he screwed me over on a past deal - never do business with family.

The other is a bleeding heart faggot liberal that has resorted to real estate law because all other avenues cause him too much stress. He is a "special" snowflake. He spent 14 years in college and law school. WTF? Public education is only 13 years.

I hate lawyers. Too call them scum would be a slander against pond scum and algae.

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Undrstm8ed, I like the mind f****er comment. Never heard that before.

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squirrelhunter wrote:
That's terrible,somebody needs to get in trouble for that.
With an assumed belief and no concern for possibly being wrong, as seen by how slowwwwly they drove while looking for the kid who couldn't breath, a promotion might be more fitting. After all, these guys are typically protected by a union.



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