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It was only a few day ago that Netflix was riding high.

The streaming company had been nominated for a whopping 112 Emmy awards, more than any other network.  And they'd further managed to unseat HBO's 17-year reign as the undisputed king of Emmy nominations. That's all fine and good. Netflix certainly has some great shows.

But reality started to set in yesterday afternoon when the company reported its quarterly financial results... and the numbers were definitely two thumbs down. For some painfully idiotic reason, analysts seem to judge Netflix by a single benchmark: the number of subscribers. If subscriber growth is strong, Netflix stock soars. I say this is 'painfully idiotic' because Netflix loses money year after year. The more subscribers they bring in, the more money they lose.

At the end of 2015, for example, Netflix had 75 million subscribers. But its Free Cash Flow was NEGATIVE $920 million.

The following year, Netflix had grown its subscriber base to 93 million. Yet its Free Cash Flow had sunk even further to negative $1.65 billion.

By the end of 2017, Netflix subscribers totaled 117 million. But the company burned through $2.02 billion.

So when you do the math, you see that each Emmy nomination this year cost Netflix $17.8 million. That's a lot worse than last year, when Netflix's 92 nominations at the 2017 awards cost them $16.0 million. Clearly the more 'successful' Netflix becomes, whether in the quality of its content, or in attracting subscribers, the more money they lose. Yet the stock surges ever higher. It's truly bizarre.

Well, it all came crashing down yesterday when Netflix announced growth figures that no longer defied gravity. Total subscribers came in at below the level that analysts had forecast and the selling began almost immediately. In after-hours trading, the stock plummeted by more than $50, around 12%.  Now, maybe the stock rebounds today. Or maybe it falls even more. Day to day fluctuations are impossible to predict. What we do know for certain is that businesses exist to make money for their shareholders. That's sort of the point. And, sure, some business models do require losing money for a few years and burning through cash before achieving positive Free Cash Flow. But Netflix doesn't appear to have any plans to make money in the foreseeable future. Instead, they're going deeper into debt to spend more money on content.

By Netflix's own estimates, the company expects to burn $4 billion of cash this year.

Bear in mind the company also has to compete with the likes of Disney, CBS, AT&T, Apple, Amazon, etc., all of which have their own streaming services and typically have much deeper pockets. Facebook just launched a new video feature called IGTV on Instagram to compete with YouTube, and they're spending $1 billion on original content this year. That's peanuts for Facebook. Facebook also bought a company called SportsStream in 2013 which allows it to stream live sports; they've also negotiated contracts with Major League Baseball, Union of European Football Associations (UEFA), and others. Amazon is also streaming live sports and even video games. Plus Amazon is rolling out its own highly acclaimed original content. Even Google is now in the original content business, having launched YouTube Red recently (and it's Cobra Kai series.)

Then there's HBO, which also cranks out fantastic original content but also manages to make plenty of money for its parent company. It's not to say that Netflix can't pull it off, or that the company is going under. But it seems silly for a company that has such stiff competition, such major headwinds, such a serious cash burn, to be valued at such a ridiculously high price. Sure, there is a chance that Netflix is able to best Google, Amazon, Apple, Facebook, CBS, AT&T, Disney, etc., and manage to (at some point in the future) generate huge Free Cash Flow for its shareholders.

Maybe.

But the stock is priced as if they've already succeeded, as if it's ten years later and Netflix has beaten the pants off its competitors. One of the most important lessons I learned about investing long ago is that you only pay what something is worth RIGHT NOW.  (As a value investor, in fact, I prefer to pay far LESS than what an asset is worth right now.) You don't pay what an investment -could- be worth in the future after a ton of work, time, and a little bit of luck.

Heavily investing in real estate, and I can remember people trying to sell a building by bragging about how much it could be worth once you replaced the roof and cleaned out all the deadbeat tenants. Yep, the building could definitely be worth a lot more. But anyone with 10 brain cells to rub together wasn't about to write a check for what it -could- be worth. It was only what it was worth at that time which was a hell of a lot less.

We call this phenomenon being 'priced for perfection' when an asset is selling as if the business plan has already been accomplished. It's a great way to lose money.
When a company is priced for perfection, it only takes one tiny pin to pop that bubble. That's what happened yesterday with Netflix: they missed their subscriber numbers, and $16 billion of wealth was wiped out in a matter of minutes. If anything, it's a good indication for how quickly an asset that's priced for perfection can crash. And there are a lot of those out there.

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I own Apple, Amazon and Netflix stock. I love them very much like as if they were my babies.

Your rant is good! I want to hear what you have to say about Elon Musk!!

BWAHAHAHAHAAA HAHAHAHAHA LMFAO!!

I believe in Apple, Amazon and Netflix. I wish I could buy some more shares........one of the best investments I have made! Now polaris stock....eh well lets just say I still own some just because I like the company and where they are going

Apple is still a good investment, so is netflix, Amazon nobody can afford anymore LOL

Diversify is the key, don't put it all in one place
My dad is huge in stock market, I am more of a real estate person myself I like physical things not just numbers on a screen

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You summed it all up in one word, I like your idea of paying only what it's worth today whether its a $300 explorer or a $300K property, vision is one thing, value is another

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Undrstm8ed wrote:


....... It was only what it was worth at that time which was a hell of a lot less........
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^^^^The real crux of the matter for most things. PE's up in the stratosphere tell a lot about investor sentiment towards a company; Netflix was (is) no exception. One bump in the road with an intolerant crowd riding the bus and these things happen, history is a real good teacher.



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410customs wrote:
I own Apple, Amazon and Netflix stock. I love them very much like as if they were my babies.

Your rant is good! I want to hear what you have to say about Elon Musk!!

BWAHAHAHAHAAA HAHAHAHAHA LMFAO!!

I believe in Apple, Amazon and Netflix. I wish I could buy some more shares........one of the best investments I have made! Now polaris stock....eh well lets just say I still own some just because I like the company and where they are going

Apple is still a good investment, so is netflix, Amazon nobody can afford anymore LOL

Diversify is the key, don't put it all in one place
My dad is huge in stock market, I am more of a real estate person myself I like physical things not just numbers on a screen

Stock market = "Maybe" 
You summed it all up in one word, I like your idea of paying only what it's worth today whether its a $300 explorer or a $300K property, vision is one thing, value is another


Should know that wouldn't take long...

Sometimes I feel like I'm living in an alternate universe it's like the financial version of the 'upside down' from Stranger Things.

Case in point: last couple days ago the infamously loss-making electric car maker Tesla announced its quarterly earnings. As usual, the numbers were gruesome. Tesla's net loss was TWICE AS BAD as the previous quarter, a record NEGATIVE $717 million. That's a LOT WORSE than analysts were expecting.

After adjusting for various capital investments, Tesla's total cash burn for the quarter was MINUS $740 million which is a bit better than what analysts were expecting. Congratulations. Oh yeah, and Tesla cult leader/CEO Elon Musk mustered an apology to all the analysts he insulted on the previous quarter's earnings call (where he derided them for asking “boring” and “bonehead” questions).

And now the stock has soared 12%.

Is this really what capitalism has come to?  Companies are richly rewarded for posting record losses that are worse than anyone expected because the grown men who pilot them can refrain from publicly hurling childish insults at financial analysts while managing to 'only' burn $740 million of shareholder capital?  Give me a break.
In total, Tesla has burned through $5 billion of its investors' cash.  And nearly half of the money it has left in the bank is in the form of customer deposits, which are often refundable. So that money's not even safe. Most likely Tesla will have to raise billions of dollars over the next few years just to stay afloat.
And yet, despite these losses, and despite the fact that their CEO is sidetracked making flamethrowers, limited-edition Tesla surfboards and promising to solve Flint, Michigan's water crisis. . .

. . . and despite the fact that he seems more concerned with Twitter spats than running the business (the Wall Street Journal ranked Musk as the second-most active tech

CEO on Twitter behind Salesforce.com's Marc Benioff, with 1,256 tweets this year through mid-July) . . . . . . shareholders still granted their CEO the largest executive compensation package in the history of the world earlier this year (worth a potential $50 billion). . . . . . and have now doubled down on their investment, sending the stock price up 12%.

As W.C. Fields once said, “If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.”

No doubt Musk is full of both. (If you want to dispute the latter, please refer to Musk's tweet in which he called the British cave diver who helped rescue the trapped boys in Thailand a pedophile.) Now, it may surprise you to hear me say that I appreciate what Musk has done for consumers.  This guy gave a swift kick in the gonads to the entire auto industry, forcing them to reinvent themselves and create more innovative products. So now all the big manufacturers are getting in on driverless car technology, AI and electric vehicles. And the cars they produce are more advanced than ever before. This is great for consumers, and most of the credit goes to Elon Musk.
Plus, to be fair, Tesla makes great cars. (Unfortunately they lose money on every single one that they sell) I certainly hope the company is able to pull it off. I sincerely do.

I also hope the Detroit Lions win the Super Bowl this year. But the odds are slim. The odds are also stacked heavily against Tesla. They're rapidly running out of cash at a time when interest rates are rising and competition is stiffening. They're no longer the only game in town when it comes to luxury electric vehicles, so they'll have to contend with Mercedes, BMW, Audi, etc. going forward. And, let's be honest, Tesla isn't exactly the most prudently-managed company in the world.

You can say a lot about Elon Musk's vision and tenacity. But often the greatest visionaries don't make the best business executives.  Business is well, serious business.
Recruiting, training, managing thousands of employees and dealing with intricate details in a complex manufacturing business these skills don't always go hand-in-hand with creative genius. Clearly Elon Musk doesn't work alone. But there's been an alarming exodus of top executives who have departed Tesla over the past few years.
(Check out this list compiled by Bloomberg of the dozens of senior execs who have left Tesla since 2016, including Chief Accounting Officer, Chief Financial Officer, President of Global Sales, Director of HR, etc.)

But Musk is undeterred he's staying the course. It reminds me of something Barack Obama once said-- “If you're walking down the right path and you're willing to keep walking, eventually you'll make progress.” sad I just had to quote that  .

Unless, of course, you're on the wrong path. In which case you'll eventually lose everything.  Elon seems content to remain on his loss-making, cash-burning path.
Regardless of the consequences, regardless of the feedback that the market is providing. But we'll see. Anything's possible. In light of such obvious risks, however, it still seems like a sign of pure lunacy.

To wit:

  • Tesla manufactures electric cars. BMW also manufactures electric cars.
  • Tesla loses money on every sale and posts record losses. BMW is profitable.
  • Tesla burns through billions in cash. BMW pays its shareholders a 5% dividend.
  • Yet with a $50 billion market cap, Tesla is now worth exactly the same as BMW.

Something is wrong with this picture. But perhaps Elon can convince us otherwise

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I often think that many investors jump on the bandwagon because they saw how Amazon pulled it off after years and years of loses. The next big wave is always on the horizon. I was taught that consistent performance wins races.

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If we were talking bracket racing.. I couldn't hold a candle to that argument.

Loosing a $717 Million dollars.. you're not to far away from a billion dollars and typical government spending but equally while seeing similar responsibilities and same accountability.. Not me, not anyone on this board could justify that kind of a loss. I dont care if they're bottling angel farts through SpaceX and selling them for $500,000 a bottle and the line wraps from San Diego to Portland.



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