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 Posted: Mon Apr 5th, 2021 01:26 am
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 Chris wrote:
Forget all the recharging - hydrogen fuel cells will be along with hydrogen produced from seawater by wind and solar power.
Then the electric vehicles can be refuelled at the gas (literally) station as can modified IC engined vehicles....

Ordinary Biker wrote:
Chris wrote:

Forget all the recharging - hydrogen fuel cells will be along with hydrogen produced from seawater by wind and solar power.
Then the electric vehicles can be refuelled at the gas (literally) station as can modified IC engined vehicles....
Hydrogen fuel cells are WAY too expensive now.  Take decades of research to improve.  And handling the hydrogen is way trickier than electricity.  And electricity doesn't require a massive brand new very expensive infrastructure be built
Here's going to be the uphill lead in this.. 

  • As of today there are only Fuel stations as infrastructure are only in California it seems, nothing in Florida, nothing in Texas [shocker], Detroit? nope!   https://cafcp.org/stationmap 
  • Currently low demand, however in its defense, not a known tech to many
  • Small volume sales, equals low production, then the median average is about $80,000
  • The Average American family has converted mentally the ideal family vehicle is a crew cab F150 as the new Station Wagon which is good because Hydrogen tanks are pretty large, we might see some larger garages in new homes
  • Present cost per 1Lb of Hydrogen is $14 in the US (an FCEV can drive 28 miles on 1lb of hydrogen)

leading to my next point of:

  • Hydrogen cars seem to be hovering very close to a range of 300 miles.
Am I the only one bothered by the overly stated point now that seems like no matter WHAT the fuel/power source is the range seems to have a hard time breaking that 300-325 mile range unless its a hybrid which I've seen as much as 480-540 miles.

- Gas / [Petrol for Chris]
- Electric
- Hydrogen
- Natural gas

All 290-380 miles of range with all the tech, tuning, fuel efficiency, lighter weight materials, better gearing, etc.. and we cant break through to the 480-600 miles for a tank of gas?  I'm seeing a pattern develop here, pass me the box of foil.


And not all the hydrogen cars are unattractive but - Toyota Mirai should open up the floor for expectations.


Not exactly making my undershorts tight here.
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