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First off get rid of the RIP ammo as your carry ammo and get something like the Hornady Critical Duty JHP. The RIP ammo does not deliver the destruction to the wound channel as well as Critical Duty, Federal HST, Speer Gold Dot, Winchester PDX1 Defender, or Remmington Golden Saber. There has been lots of ballistic jell test that have shown the RIP to be a bad choice for SD ammo. (BTW: These 5 were listed by Dillon Precision as being the best SD ammo available earlier this year.)
With ammo when it comes to SD rounds you need the optimal balance between velocity, expansion, penetration and weight retention of the projectile. The Dillon preferred 5 list of ammo all perform about the same with some subtle differences between the brands.
I carry Federal Hydra-Shok in my 45 GAP. It is an older design but it is not far behind the Dillon preferred 5. The 45GAP has similar specs to 45ACP+P. I have the stopping power covered but the Glock G37 with this ammo is softer shooting than my Colt 1911 9mm shooting SD rounds in the 1911.
I used to carry a Glock G26 9mm. With SD rounds follow up shots took longer and I was not as good of a shot with it as my larger guns on the first shot.
If I did not have a pistol I would look at getting a police trade in Glock 40 caliber or 357Sig. Whichever I got I would get the conversion barrel for the other and a 9mm conversion barrel as well. I would try all three for SD and use which one that I was best with.
I am familiar with the Hornady and been stocking some of it for the AR's, I may try some of it to see how it feels in the G23. The new slides being worked on and I only have the .40 barrel for now. Hence the need for the conversion barrel and wanting to go back and forth between the 9mm without spending so much on multiple slides. I think Lone wolf offers it in a .357 option as well. I have to say I am unclear on where the .357 fits between the 9mm or the .40 S&W at this point. Maybe someone can explain that?
jeff18 wrote:
After trying many firearms and calibers, the damage to my wrists from years of abuse only allow use of a 22. At least I can hit what the thing is pointing towards. Hemmingway carried a 22 for self defense, and from what I have been told, the 22 was considered a good self defense round before WWII.
Its weird but you hear/see all sorts of event where a guy gets shot with a .22 just the right way and dies, soldiers come back from .50 cal wounds and live; which obviously becomes I think the leg shot placement debaters argue on much which does make sense.
For me, the .45 ACP my follow up shots [albeit could be contributed to lack of practice or familiarity with the caliber] aren't up to par. The 9mm is great, .40 is really good and another reason I did choose the .40 is the over abundance where i am at. Everyone from locals to LEO carries .40 here and to be honest as a grave thought to consider, if I had to pick up a mag or ammo of a body i'm almost certain for it to be .40 here most often.
I would like to pick up a revolver of sorts but I really think that's more for tickling my nostalgia and appreciation of the wild west era.. Although it does do a good job at not leaving any evidence. lol
MaDMaXX wrote:
I'll just stick to these few points for now....
1) Why are you running with ball in the chamber? I don't recommend this, it will be comparatively ineffectual for self defence and has too much penetration for the same scenario.
2) I have not seen anything stating the RIP stuff isn't good enough for SD, in fact i've seen many gel block tests that confirm it's as good as anything else.
3) So far as the whole stopping power Vs follow up accuracy, these days, through technology, it has mostly been mitigated.
To expand on point 3, we're using, or should be using self defence rounds, the technology in these is leaps and bounds above ball ammo and anything available even just 20 years ago.
To this point, there is little to no difference between .380, 9mm and .40 - obviously they step up in power, nothing changes physics, but to that point, the actual bullet is what's doing the damage here.
Personally i don't care for the snappyness of the .40 round, i feel it's an unloved round for a reason, not a bad one, i don't feel it's justified over say a 9.
At one time, I had an odd notion put into my head that for home defense, my shotgun was going to be loaded with the first two rounds with rubber bullets/pellets followed up with more serious rounds of bird/buck shot. I felt that for some stupid reason it was a justified way to let someone know I didnt want to have to kill them (maybe a partner too) but if forced to the next 4-5 rounds were gonna change their life or the non-existance of it for that matter.
With the 23, I've been watching a plethora of videos from all sorts of scenarios from store robberies, car jackings, muggings.. etc where the time frame is even LESS than the 21 foot rule would apply and there is the thoughts that just drawing a weapon on someone may change the outcome via brandishing it but with someone walking up and already firing or already got a line on you, there really isn't enough time to rack that slide, you'd be dead open carry or otherwise. Yes we can all say if you were careful, slick, not obvious I know but just really didn't make sense. So with that, and others that for the lack of better words I have found myself following as in the professional world if you will with trainers or other industry individuals. I decided to start carrying one in the chamber all ready on the draw. I'd hope I'd never have to pull it on anyone, maybe a big cat, coyote or a other animal more. The ball ammo, was possibly poor decision making on my part shear based on thinking along the same lines as the shotgun scenario.
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